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Old June 4th, 2011, 06:44 PM   #221
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Old June 7th, 2011, 05:56 AM   #222
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It's only for the Cable Cars, the regular fare for MUNI is $2. (And people with monthly bus passes can board for free.)
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Old June 7th, 2011, 05:54 PM   #223
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Do any San Francisco residents actually use the cable cars? It seems that it is mostly tourists that utilize them and everyone else either uses the Bus or Muni Metro to get around.
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Locals use it, but it depends on the time and where you are getting on. General rules are to never wait at the turnaround (just wait at any of the corner stops) and avoid midday, when the tourists are all out. This only applies to the two Powell lines, though... California line is always easy to get on any time of the day.
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Old June 9th, 2011, 05:48 AM   #225
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Locals use it, but it depends on the time and where you are getting on. General rules are to never wait at the turnaround (just wait at any of the corner stops) and avoid midday, when the tourists are all out. This only applies to the two Powell lines, though... California line is always easy to get on any time of the day.
Seconded. But despite being mostly tourist lines, the three Cable car lines still combine for more than 20,000 riders daily (Higher than most North American Light Rail systems when Ridership per mile is taken into account.).
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Old June 9th, 2011, 06:56 PM   #226
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Is any part of the cable car network either covered by or excluded from monthly transit passes?
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Old June 10th, 2011, 01:25 AM   #227
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Is any part of the cable car network either covered by or excluded from monthly transit passes?
All of the Cable Car network is covered under monthly passes.
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Old June 10th, 2011, 03:13 AM   #228
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you can buy multi-day passes - when me and my friends visited we bought 5 day muni passes and they included use of the cable cars
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Old June 18th, 2011, 07:59 AM   #229
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San Francisco Chronicle. San Francisco, Calif.: Jun 18, 2011. pg. A.9
(C) San Francisco Chronicle 2011

With quiet finality and a generous severance, San Francisco's transit agency is parting ways with director Nathaniel Ford. The departure sets the stage for what Muni needs next: a nimble expert and manager who can take heaps of plans and warring interest groups and give the city reliable transit choices.

Ford served dutifully, but it was clearly time for a change. He acknowledged as much by his own job-hunting efforts over the last year, notably a failed attempt to win an airport transportation job in Washington, D.C.

His exit here came after rough and angry negotiations with the Muni drivers union that resulted in an arbitration win on Monday for the city that should vastly improve work rules and save money.

Muni may be City Hall's biggest daily headache. It handles 700,000 riders a day, its cash-starved maintenance system leaves it prone to breakdowns, and it's an automatic conversation starter right up there with the Giants and restaurant tips. The executive director of the Municipal Transportation Agency is also in charge of traffic flow, pedestrian safety, bike routes and quick-to-rile cabbies.

The next director will be under the gun from several directions. Muni needs major work. Soothing the angry drivers will be one major assignment. So is finishing the job of remapping the city's bus routes, drawn in another era, while not upsetting riders.

Muni needs a new leader who can take an unruly, cash-starved urban necessity and turn it into a reliable part of city life. It's a big challenge, and one that eluded Ford.
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San Francisco Chronicle. San Francisco, Calif.: Jun 18, 2011. pg. A.9
(C) San Francisco Chronicle 2011

With quiet finality and a generous severance, San Francisco's transit agency is parting ways with director Nathaniel Ford. The departure sets the stage for what Muni needs next: a nimble expert and manager who can take heaps of plans and warring interest groups and give the city reliable transit choices.

Ford served dutifully, but it was clearly time for a change. He acknowledged as much by his own job-hunting efforts over the last year, notably a failed attempt to win an airport transportation job in Washington, D.C.

His exit here came after rough and angry negotiations with the Muni drivers union that resulted in an arbitration win on Monday for the city that should vastly improve work rules and save money.

Muni may be City Hall's biggest daily headache. It handles 700,000 riders a day, its cash-starved maintenance system leaves it prone to breakdowns, and it's an automatic conversation starter right up there with the Giants and restaurant tips. The executive director of the Municipal Transportation Agency is also in charge of traffic flow, pedestrian safety, bike routes and quick-to-rile cabbies.

The next director will be under the gun from several directions. Muni needs major work. Soothing the angry drivers will be one major assignment. So is finishing the job of remapping the city's bus routes, drawn in another era, while not upsetting riders.

Muni needs a new leader who can take an unruly, cash-starved urban necessity and turn it into a reliable part of city life. It's a big challenge, and one that eluded Ford.
I don't think that we should hire a local for the SFMTA director. Hell, I don't even think we should even consider hiring an American for the job, we should look abroad for someone who really knows how to run a transit system.
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I don't think that we should hire a local for the SFMTA director. Hell, I don't even think we should even consider hiring an American for the job, we should look abroad for someone who really knows how to run a transit system.
Yeah that might be nice in terms of bringing some fresh ideas. However, looks like Debra Johnson is next general manager, at least for interim, looks like she comes with approval of Muni union, which wasn't a big fan of Nate Ford.
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Old July 14th, 2011, 07:30 PM   #232
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Southern portal of the D.T Oakland subway. (The Steam train is not a regular occurrence.)


Orinda station.
Love the first picture.

The second one literally made me jump outta my skin, since it hit a childhood nerve of riding the Expo Express. Anyhow, that train
was mighty long and it puzzles me how modern that picture appears

MUNI's acquisition of other operator's trams is impressive (and thoughtful too ).

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Old July 15th, 2011, 02:00 AM   #233
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Love the first picture.

The second one literally made me jump outta my skin, since it hit a childhood nerve of riding the Expo Express. Anyhow, that train
was mighty long and it puzzles me how modern that picture appears

MUNI's acquisition of other operator's trams is impressive (and thoughtful too ).

Yeah, though the bulk of the Trams operating on the F-Line right now are either the Philadelphia PCC's or the Milan Peter witt's, as the Newark PCC's are currently having their electrical systems replaced and most of the other historical trams still need some refurbishing before they can enter regular service themselves.
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Oh, I thought the acquisitions were merely for novel purpose/s as opposed to regular service
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Old July 15th, 2011, 09:04 AM   #235
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...the famed historic streetcars of the F-line, and the national landmark cable cars... carry more than 40,000 riders per day.
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Old July 15th, 2011, 10:58 AM   #236
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It's kinda both really, given the novelty of having such a variety of vehicles operating, while at the same time having the service function like a regular line.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 02:14 AM   #237
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Yeah, but as usual with MUNI, owes less to thoughtfulness than need.

SF's PCCs were truly timeless & great. But as with most of the modes, they weren't very well maintained by MUNI.

Indeed, toward the end of their service, MUNI was forced to borrow PCCs from other cities, I think Toronto & maybe Philly.

I'd be surprised if many, if any, of the current PCCs on Market Street are from MUNI's original stocks.

The paint jobs on the vintage PCCs are really spectacular though & the maintenance is good.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 08:55 PM   #238
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Old August 9th, 2011, 09:06 AM   #239
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Yeah, but as usual with MUNI, owes less to thoughtfulness than need.

SF's PCCs were truly timeless & great. But as with most of the modes, they weren't very well maintained by MUNI.

Indeed, toward the end of their service, MUNI was forced to borrow PCCs from other cities, I think Toronto & maybe Philly.

I'd be surprised if many, if any, of the current PCCs on Market Street are from MUNI's original stocks.

The paint jobs on the vintage PCCs are really spectacular though & the maintenance is good.
Well, the Philly trams weren't purchased until the 1990's, for the opening of the F-Line. Currently MUNI operates 3 of it's pre 1970's PCC's and and is in the process of refurbishing 4 more for regular service. It also has another two dozen or so PCC's on it's property that it's planning to refurbish at one point or another.
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BART released the concepts for their new trains and is seeking people's input. http://bart.gov/cars




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