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Old August 11th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #241
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Those interiors look similar to the interiors found in Australian suburban trains.
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Old August 12th, 2011, 01:37 AM   #242
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BART released the concepts for their new trains and is seeking people's input. [url]http://bart.gov/cars]

Nice, but....I'd like to see the concepts for the new computer system.
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Old August 13th, 2011, 11:05 AM   #243
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I like option B.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 03:57 AM   #244
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This good, practical MUNI project to speed up service of the heavy 5 Fulton trolleybus line connecting downtown to the northwestern districts has been completed. Its now in service, with new overhead wiring in place & inbound operations on McAllister St.

The SFMTA Announces Reconfiguration of McAllister Street
Targeted News Service. Washington, D.C.: Aug 1, 2011.

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The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency issued the following news release:

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA), which oversees all surface transportation in the City, including the Municipal Railway (Muni), today announced that, effective Thursday, Aug. 4, McAllister Street east of Hyde Street will be reconfigured. Also, Charles J. Brenham Place (7th Street north of Market) will be converted to two-way. The traffic reconfiguration and correlated completion of the overhead contact system (OCS) rehabilitation in this area mean that the nearly 16,000 annual 5 Fulton Muni trolley bus customers will now have a more direct trip downtown. The change will save the Agency more than $200,000 a year in operating expenses.

Effective Aug. 4, the new configuration will allow Muni, commercial vehicles and bicycles to travel eastbound on McAllister Street between Hyde Street and Charles J. Brenham Place. All other eastbound McAllister traffic will continue to turn right at Hyde Street. Only bicycles, taxis and Muni vehicles will be allowed to turn east on Market Street from McAllister Street. All other traffic will be required to turn right onto Market Street. All traffic will be able to make a right turn from northbound Charles J. Brenham Place (7th Street north of Market Street) onto eastbound McAllister Street to access the block between Charles J. Brenham Place and Jones Street. The attached maps show the changes in the traffic configuration.

The current 5 Fulton route requires inbound vehicles heading downtown to make a right on Hyde Street and then a left on Market Street. The new route, made possible by new overhead wires in the eastbound direction, will allow buses on this route to go straight to Market Street, saving up to three minutes per trip. The changes to the 5 Fulton route will take effect after the testing of the new OCS in August.

The SFMTA's Capital Investment Program includes the rehabilitation of the aging trolley bus OCS in various parts of the City. This vital work includes replacing existing poles and overhead wires. Rehabilitation of the OCS improves safety and service reliability and helps keeps Muni in a state of good repair. The OCS construction began last summer and was part of the 21 Hayes Pole Replacement project.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 04:25 AM   #245
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This good, practical MUNI project to speed up service of the heavy 5 Fulton trolleybus line connecting downtown to the northwestern districts has been completed. Its now in service, with new overhead wiring in place & inbound operations on McAllister St.

The SFMTA Announces Reconfiguration of McAllister Street
Targeted News Service. Washington, D.C.: Aug 1, 2011.

Copyright © Targeted News Service. All Rights Reserved.

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency issued the following news release:

The San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA), which oversees all surface transportation in the City, including the Municipal Railway (Muni), today announced that, effective Thursday, Aug. 4, McAllister Street east of Hyde Street will be reconfigured. Also, Charles J. Brenham Place (7th Street north of Market) will be converted to two-way. The traffic reconfiguration and correlated completion of the overhead contact system (OCS) rehabilitation in this area mean that the nearly 16,000 daily 5 Fulton Muni trolley bus customers will now have a more direct trip downtown. The change will save the Agency more than $200,000 a year in operating expenses.

Effective Aug. 4, the new configuration will allow Muni, commercial vehicles and bicycles to travel eastbound on McAllister Street between Hyde Street and Charles J. Brenham Place. All other eastbound McAllister traffic will continue to turn right at Hyde Street. Only bicycles, taxis and Muni vehicles will be allowed to turn east on Market Street from McAllister Street. All other traffic will be required to turn right onto Market Street. All traffic will be able to make a right turn from northbound Charles J. Brenham Place (7th Street north of Market Street) onto eastbound McAllister Street to access the block between Charles J. Brenham Place and Jones Street. The attached maps show the changes in the traffic configuration.

The current 5 Fulton route requires inbound vehicles heading downtown to make a right on Hyde Street and then a left on Market Street. The new route, made possible by new overhead wires in the eastbound direction, will allow buses on this route to go straight to Market Street, saving up to three minutes per trip. The changes to the 5 Fulton route will take effect after the testing of the new OCS in August.

The SFMTA's Capital Investment Program includes the rehabilitation of the aging trolley bus OCS in various parts of the City. This vital work includes replacing existing poles and overhead wires. Rehabilitation of the OCS improves safety and service reliability and helps keeps Muni in a state of good repair. The OCS construction began last summer and was part of the 21 Hayes Pole Replacement project.
I've heard about this, maybe I'll go check it out soon.
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Old September 12th, 2011, 10:33 AM   #246
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Option A looks almost identical to the interior a TransPerth B Series, the only exception being that the B series has some longitudinal seating near the doors.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 03:42 AM   #247
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Option A looks almost identical to the interior a TransPerth B Series, the only exception being that the B series has some longitudinal seating near the doors.
In essence, BART is the third-rail version of Australia's suburban rail systems.

Speaking of which, why did they go for third-rail rather than overhead electrification when BART was being designed?
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Old September 13th, 2011, 05:54 AM   #248
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In essence, BART is the third-rail version of Australia's suburban rail systems.

Speaking of which, why did they go for third-rail rather than overhead electrification when BART was being designed?

Well for one, a good portion of BART is in subway.

Overhead caternary is fine for light rail or surface heavy rail, but not that great for subway tunnels.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 08:52 AM   #249
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Well for one, a good portion of BART is in subway.

Overhead caternary is fine for light rail or surface heavy rail, but not that great for subway tunnels.
What are you talking about look at the Tokyo , Shanghai , and Seoul metros all overhead wires.
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Old September 13th, 2011, 11:47 PM   #250
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I see neither Option A nor C being favoured because for half the journeys seated passengers'd be facing backwards...
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Old September 14th, 2011, 02:46 AM   #251
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What are you talking about look at the Tokyo , Shanghai , and Seoul metros all overhead wires.

So what? Last I checked none of those cities are in the US.

Just off hand, I can't think of any heavy rail subway system in the US with overhead caternary as its primary power source.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 05:43 AM   #252
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So what? Last I checked none of those cities are in the US.

Just off hand, I can't think of any heavy rail subway system in the US with overhead caternary as its primary power source.
Cleveland. Their trains run on catenary.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 08:00 AM   #253
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Cleveland. Their trains run on catenary.
True, but Cleveland's rapid rail line runs almost exclusively on or above surface. As far as I'm aware, just a couple of very brief subway stations at Terminal Sq & Hopkins Airport.

The only rationale for a heavy rail system having overhead caternary power would be for a system that has grade crossings. Who knows, I doubt it but perhaps Tokyo & Soeul have some of those in off the beaten path lines.
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Old September 14th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #254
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heavy rail system having overhead caternary power would be for a system that has grade crossings
If by 'heavy rail system' you mean 'subway' or 'mass transit', then encountered grade crossings would categorically disqualify it as such not by the fact that it draws its juice overhead
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True, but Cleveland's rapid rail line runs almost exclusively on or above surface. As far as I'm aware, just a couple of very brief subway stations at Terminal Sq & Hopkins Airport.

The only rationale for a heavy rail system having overhead caternary power would be for a system that has grade crossings. Who knows, I doubt it but perhaps Tokyo & Soeul have some of those in off the beaten path lines.
Not necessarily. China's metros have no level crossings anywhere.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #256
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So what? Last I checked none of those cities are in the US.
yes the world revolves around the US....... in terms of mass transit the US is pretty bad compared to cities in asia and europe
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Old September 15th, 2011, 02:31 AM   #257
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Orinda station.
The BART trains look so retro-futuristic, they seem taken fron Star Trek or something. That excentric front window with the BART logo in the other side make them so unique, they're fantastic.
That movie The Persuit of Happyness is OK, but not specially appealing to me, although it is worth seeing just for the BART scenes.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #258
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Right; otherwise, those 'that do' wouldn't be metro systems.
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True, but Cleveland's rapid rail line runs almost exclusively on or above surface. As far as I'm aware, just a couple of very brief subway stations at Terminal Sq & Hopkins Airport.

The only rationale for a heavy rail system having overhead caternary power would be for a system that has grade crossings. Who knows, I doubt it but perhaps Tokyo & Soeul have some of those in off the beaten path lines.
What? Madrid's metro is fully grade separated, and it's utilizes OCS. Same with almost all of Barcelona's metro lines. Hong Kong's system is OCS.

There is no rationale for anything. It's what the agency wants to utilize for power collection.
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Right; otherwise, those 'that do' wouldn't be metro systems.
Thats ridiculous. Chicago's El system isnt metro system?
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