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Old March 5th, 2012, 11:16 PM   #341
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Good to see a groundbreaking on a rail line in America- I had thought common wisdom was that projects other than roadbuilding were dubbed "boondoggles" and "experiments in socialism" that had to be killed outright(sarcasm).
PLEASE. Lots of rail projects going forward including (but far from limited to) the New York City Second Ave subway (needed for a century) to the San Francisco cross-town subway (see http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...283832&page=15 ) and lots in between (LA also continues to build out its system).
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Old March 6th, 2012, 07:12 AM   #342
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i am very happy that SMART is happening and now its in construction.

i am also happy at the fact that there not just building a rail line but also bike pathways which makes me happy as well i am a frequent bike rider but i live in Miami not in san francisco and i am glad SMART is doing a smart thing, excuse the pun but really its great.

i ride my bike to work and back and riding a bike helps alot it helps you be more positive and also i like the fact they will allow trains with bikes.

while its not BART lets face it BART would be way too expensive to be build and BART i want to focus on what they are expanding, getting new railcars, exploring and building new routes like the gaery route and etc.

but at least with SMART its cheaper to construct meaning more possible of it opening sooner then 7 or 8 years to open, meaning more easier for rail expansion at the same time using existing rail lines which drop the cost alot. Anyways go SMART and bring the Rail lines to the communites that need it badly. more choices in mass transit the better the society and quality of life.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #343
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SMART is definitely the best option we have now for rail transit in the North Bay. BART, at 100+ million per mile, is prohibitively expensive.

I will update this thread as news becomes available.
For SMART's official site, go to: http://www.sonomamarintrain.org/

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Isn't there still much wilderness alongside the 101 corridor twixt the north shore and Santa Rosa?
North Shore? Am I in Hawaii?
To answer your question, yes. Sonoma and Marin are relatively rural compared to the rest of the Bay Area. Sonoma of course is well known for its wines and acres upon acres of vineyards. Combined however, the two counties have a population of about 750,000 people.

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So what are the planned frequencies of the SMART line?
There will be 12 Northbound and 12 Southbound trains per day.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #344
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Any plans to electrify Caltrain?
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Old March 6th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #345
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Good to see a groundbreaking on a rail line in America
Isn't it more the case of trackbed re-estabishment? BTW, I PM'ed you the last Friday-13th, and still haven't heard back from you.
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Old March 7th, 2012, 07:38 AM   #346
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Any plans to electrify Caltrain?
Could be as early as 2015, albeit sounds a bit optimistic:

UPDATE ON CALTRAIN STATIONS

Gary Richards. San Jose Mercury News. San Jose, Calif.: Feb 24, 2012. pg. A

Copyright Bay Area News Feb 24, 2012

Q: So when are the new fancy Caltrain stations going to open?

Jeff Shulman

A A ribbon-cutting ceremony for the $25 million project will be held Wednesday at the Diridon and Santa Clara stations. They are aimed at bringing Caltrain up to a state of good repair in preparation for its plan to electrify the system by 2015.

At Diridon, two new boarding platforms have been built on the west side of the station, along with tracks on each side of the platforms. Stairs and ramps for the disabled have been installed. The project also includes the reconstruction of signal control points on both ends of the station, allowing trains to move in and out faster.

The Santa Clara station has a regular platform for southbound passengers but had a narrow center boarding platform for northbound riders. Three nonsignalized at-grade pedestrian crossings connected the two platforms. Because of that configuration, Santa Clara was a "holdout" station in which only one train could remain in the station at a time. This limited the ability to move trains quickly through the station. Now two trains will be able to pass though the station at the same time.

The modernization project added a new outboard northbound platform and extended the southern platform 150 feet. A new pedestrian underpass now connects the platforms.

Altamont Commuter Express trains will resume service to the Santa Clara station, which was suspended a few years ago. The Capitol Corridor trains also may add this station stop to their schedule in the future.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 08:24 AM   #347
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I'd say it's a great "second best". I'd rather see the BART Richmond Line extended through a second tunnel (parallel to the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge) into Marin County and on up to Santa Rosa (and that's assuming a Golden Gate crossing is just too hard). But that's probably not going to happen, so I'm a fan of SMART, assuming they do something to permit efficient transfer to a ferry to SF at the southern terminus.
Extending BART up to the North Bay thru Richmond would rank among the best & most needed regional connections. Albeit, we know that the resistence up in Marin would no doubt be very stiff!
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Old March 12th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #348
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Here's some good news for those who commute on the East Bay side to and from the South Bay.

The Federal Transit Administration (FTA) has approved $250 million for the BART to San Jose extension, actually more than had been expected!

Its a good, albeit it long-delayed project with strategic, regional connections.
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LaHood Announces $900 Million to Extend San Francisco’s BART Rail Line into Silicon Valley

U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood today announced an agreement to provide $900 million from the Federal Transit Administration (FTA) to help extend the San Francisco Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) rail system into Santa Clara County, which is home to many fast-growing Silicon Valley companies.

The Silicon Valley Berryessa Extension Project, expected to break ground in April, will extend BART by 10 miles and involve the construction of two new stations, in Milpitas and Berryessa, and the procurement of 40 new passenger rail cars. This significant New Starts investment continues the planned 16-mile BART Silicon Valley extension, bringing transit service to downtown San Jose and Santa Clara County.

Once completed, the new rail segment will be part of a 119-mile BART network connecting Santa Clara County with San Mateo, San Francisco, Contra Costa and Alameda counties
Press release, in full, can be found Here
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Old March 14th, 2012, 04:59 AM   #349
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Press release, in full, can be found Here
Now here's what I'd consider a very good deal for us, both transit users & taxpayers alike:

Looks like we're getting about five times as many new BART miles as SF's gold-platted boondoggle subway to nowhere, for little more than just half the price!

How about lets just get the Feds to cancel SF's overpriced boondogle & re-use the funds saved to extend this vital regional connector between the East & South Bays another ten miles.
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Old March 14th, 2012, 05:18 AM   #350
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Any plans to electrify Caltrain?
There've been plans to do it as long as I can remember. Right now I think it's kind of tied up with the HSR since they will use the same right of way and possibly the same tracks.
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Old March 15th, 2012, 07:55 AM   #351
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There've been plans to do it as long as I can remember. Right now I think it's kind of tied up with the HSR since they will use the same right of way and possibly the same tracks.

Most recent update for Caltrain electrification looks like 2019.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 07:10 AM   #352
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The Bart is very similar to the São Paulo metro built by Mafersa company.

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Old March 16th, 2012, 07:37 AM   #353
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Most recent update for Caltrain electrification looks like 2019.
Maybe sooner:

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When the California High-Speed Rail Authority finishes tweaking its business plan in a few weeks, expect the cost to drop, the construction time to be shortened and improvements along the Peninsula and in Southern California to be added.

. . . top concerns, Richard said, included speeding construction of the project, cutting the cost, delivering rail improvements sooner to the metropolitan "bookends" of the project, and making sure the 130-mile stretch of tracks scheduled for construction in the Central Valley don't become a useless $6 billion investment . . . .

The key to the revisions, Richard and Hartnett explained, lies in the so-called blended approach that relies on incorporating Caltrain and Southern California's Metrolink regional commuter line into the system. The authority signed an agreement with Southern California agencies last month, and Bay Area officials are preparing a plan that would electrify Caltrain and outfit it with advanced train control systems that would not only beef up commuter rail service, but also allow high-speed rail to share the tracks . . . .
Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAK31NKQ2L.DTL
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Old March 16th, 2012, 07:41 AM   #354
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Now here's what I'd consider a very good deal for us, both transit users & taxpayers alike:

Looks like we're getting about five times as many new BART miles as SF's gold-platted boondoggle subway to nowhere, for little more than just half the price!

How about lets just get the Feds to cancel SF's overpriced boondogle & re-use the funds saved to extend this vital regional connector between the East & South Bays another ten miles.
It will not be straight through one of the country's denser urban cores like the cross-town subway. The part you are talking about isn't even below ground I don't believe. There's just no comparison. And the way I see it, let the suburban commuters stew in their own gasoline if there's a trade-off (but there isn't).
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It will not be straight through one of the country's denser urban cores like the cross-town subway. The part you are talking about isn't even below ground I don't believe. There's just no comparison. And the way I see it, let the suburban commuters stew in their own gasoline if there's a trade-off (but there isn't).
Well, BART was the creation of big-minded, visionary, officials, planner & enginners who understood the Bay Area was one big metropolitan regions. And so we've got a huge heavy rail system that connects most of the region, Albeit BART needs to go down to the South Bay & if possible up to Marin. Then we'll have a truly reginal system.

Today we suffer from a small minded mentality that comes from having nearly a dozen counties, & hundred or so localities. We've got a regional umbrella like the MTC deserting a needy city like Oakland for San Francisco, a city that's already got more HQs than it can digest. Today, we've lost that regional vision & thus as a region we're risking getting stopped in our tracks.

We're very lucky that those who came before the small mindest crowd (my city, my suburb, my neighborhood, first etc.) took over had the forsight to give us BART & Caltrain!
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Old March 16th, 2012, 10:44 PM   #356
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Huge heavy rail system?
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Well, BART was the creation of big-minded, visionary, officials, planner & enginners who understood the Bay Area was one big metropolitan regions....
It really was a creation that revolutionized not only San Francisco, but revolutionized the subways around the world virtually. The BART became a standard model to be followed.
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Old March 17th, 2012, 02:46 AM   #358
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i do agree it did inspired other agencies around the world i believe the WMATA in Washington DC is similar to BART in some ways there have been some comparisons to them as there both big metrorail networks that also sort of act like communter rails at the same time because they go outside the borders of the cities like WMATA goes to virgina and Maryland i believe?

is this a right comparison or its better to compare BART to another system similar to BART???
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This comparison is good therefore indicates that the BART system is very effective. Here in Sao Paulo for example the subway system was modelled on BART and Metro de São Paulo is very effective.
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You mean, Sao Paulo's never did experience any share of Frisco's multitude of major, troublesome glitches?
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