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Old February 11th, 2015, 05:30 AM   #901
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Right. Not to mention that the Wine Train track breaks in Downtown Napa and does not go any further than that. Should there really be a connection between 37 and UP Main Line, then Sonoma, Napa, and Solano Counties should chip in to rehabilitate the line, redevelop it, and possibly expand existing lines (especially the Wine Train) so that more passenger services can be made instead of just relying on tourists and racegoers.
I really wish as well that the wine train tracks connected as well. As MarshallKnight pointed out, there was talk of doing that tied with a passenger train proposal, but that died long ago.

Getting Marin to work with Sonoma has been hard enough. Marin has had "buyer's remorse" and a lot of dissatisfaction with SMART stems from Marin. Marin sees the train mainly as a way to move people from Sonoma to Marin's employment centers. I have a hard time seeing Sonoma and Napa working together, since the regions compete economically - each would be trying to make the system easier for SF tourists to come into their respective region, rather than the other wine region. One can only dream, right
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Old February 11th, 2015, 10:35 AM   #902
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I really wish as well that the wine train tracks connected as well. As MarshallKnight pointed out, there was talk of doing that tied with a passenger train proposal, but that died long ago.

Getting Marin to work with Sonoma has been hard enough. Marin has had "buyer's remorse" and a lot of dissatisfaction with SMART stems from Marin. Marin sees the train mainly as a way to move people from Sonoma to Marin's employment centers. I have a hard time seeing Sonoma and Napa working together, since the regions compete economically - each would be trying to make the system easier for SF tourists to come into their respective region, rather than the other wine region. One can only dream, right
It is unfortunate that the rail system in Marin and wine counties has not developed into something similar in the Interlaken area of Switzerland where you can take various trains to access all the tourist sights in the mountains. I think the biggest issue for the Bay Area would be paying for the "last mile" connection into SF proper. Even if cost wasn't an issue, not sure if it is technically possible to tunnel under the Golden Gate.
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There's said to be room for a lower-deck rail line across the Golden Gate Bridge.

Of course, that has it's own difficulties.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 11:00 PM   #904
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Has Anyone heard any news about the Caltrain downtown extension?
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Old February 12th, 2015, 07:03 PM   #905
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SMART expects delivery of first commuter train in March




Employees from Shimmick Construction, contracted by the SMART agency, work to replace the Haystack Bridge over the Petaluma River on Wednesday, February 11, 2015 in Petaluma, California . (BETH SCHLANKER/ The Press Democrat)

BY MATT BROWN

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February 11, 2015, 5:41PM

The Sonoma Marin Area Rail Transit authority is expected to receive its first commuter train March 31, the agency announced Wednesday, as it outlined the final stage of major construction on the initial 43-mile line and highlighted plans for passenger service set to begin by the end of 2016.

A key remaining project is the replacement of a rail bridge over the Petaluma River. The work is ongoing and is expected to be finished this fall, SMART officials said.

Safety along the tracks also will be a challenge for SMART. Officials want to make people aware of the danger of fast-moving trains, especially after an accident last week involving a New York commuter train and an SUV that killed six. SMART received its own safety scare last week when a slow-moving rail car used in track construction got loose and rolled across three road crossings before coming to a stop a mile away.

No one was injured in the incident, but it raised safety concerns as the tracks that now handle a few freight trains per week are readied to facilitate 30 passenger trains a day.

“The loose rail car was our first trial on safety,” said Supervisor Shirlee Zane, a SMART board member.

The SMART contractor is investigating the incident, but it appears that the car’s brake was tampered with, said Jennifer Welch, SMART’s security manger. If vandalism is found to be the cause, law enforcement would get involved, she said. Federal transportation regulators only would get involved in the case of an accident, she said.

The first of SMART’s seven green-and-silver trains on Tuesday left the Transportation Technology Center in Pueblo, Colo., where it underwent months of testing on everything from its diesel engines and brakes to its air conditioner and seats. From there, the train is heading back to the manufacturing plant in Illinois for some fine tuning before being shipped by rail to SMART, Lisa Cobb, the rail systems manager, said Wednesday at a SMART board workshop at the Hyatt Vineyard Creek hotel in Santa Rosa.

“It’s getting some last-minute tweaks,” she said.

The trains initially will be stored on a side track at Fulton Road and River Road north of Santa Rosa during construction of the SMART maintenance and operations center at Airport Boulevard, which is expected to open in July. Once they are delivered, the trains will be put through more tests along the initial operating segment from downtown San Rafael to north of Santa Rosa, Cobb said.

SMART contractors have reconstructed 40 miles of track in Sonoma and Marin counties, said Bill Gamlen, the chief engineer. The remaining track work includes replacing the 102-year-old Haystack Bridge over the Petaluma River with a 30-year-old span that the agency bought from Galveston, Texas, for $4.2 million in 2012.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 09:15 PM   #906
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I saw that when my Golden Gate Transit bus (on the 101) went through South Petaluma Blvd, which is quite a sight to watch. Not to mention, US-101 is also being improved at the same time in the same area by improving the on-ramp connecting it with South Petaluma Blvd, working in tandem to prepare for full-time ops of the SMART train. It makes me want to anticipate ever more that I cannot wait for SMART to start running.
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Old February 13th, 2015, 01:30 AM   #907
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I saw that when my Golden Gate Transit bus (on the 101) went through South Petaluma Blvd, which is quite a sight to watch. Not to mention, US-101 is also being improved at the same time in the same area by improving the on-ramp connecting it with South Petaluma Blvd, working in tandem to prepare for full-time ops of the SMART train. It makes me want to anticipate ever more that I cannot wait for SMART to start running.
Cool! I haven't been down to take a look, even though its not too far.

I HAVE been on the 101 through The Narrows though. They are definately improving that interchange, from a funky design to a straight-forward diamond with "aesthetic touches". The bridge over the Petaluma River is being replaced and widened from 2 to 3 lanes each direction. The Narrows itself is being upgraded from expressway (divided, but without "limited access") to full freeway status (divided and limited access). That will make 101 a freeway for its entire length through Marin and Sonoma Counties. However, there is as yet NO FUNDING for widening The Narrows to 3 lanes. Each direction will remain 2 lanes each direction until funding is found. All the more reason SMART will be critical in providing another link between the counties.
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I was in Petaluma a few days back to check on SMART near Copeland Street...


DSC03149 by anthonynachor, on Flickr


DSC03151 by anthonynachor, on Flickr


IMG_2621 by anthonynachor, on Flickr

Do you think we can meet to discuss further the future of SMART in person?
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Old February 13th, 2015, 04:11 PM   #909
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A close up of SMART's pilot set being tested at the Transportation Test Center in Pueblo, CO
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SMART settles on more classic station design


A photograph from Duluth, Minnesota presenting an example of the type of platform structure favored by the Sonoma County Transportation Authority. (Sonoma County Transportation Authority)


A drawing of the preliminary SMART platform designs done by AECOM. (Sonoma-Marin Area Rail Transit)


BY MATT BROWN

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February 18, 2015, 7:25PM

After taking heat for proposing commuter rail platforms that many said were sparse and out of place in the North Bay, SMART has selected an alternative design that more evokes a classic rail station.

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It will be interesting to see if any cities choose to go with the original design. I kinda like it better actually. The "classic" one looks too much like a bus shelter.
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Why do people cling to no longer relevant architectural styles
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Because it makes them feel fuzzy inside.
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It makes all angry inside!
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I think it would be much better if that roof would be extended to spread to nearly the entire length of the rail platform so that more passengers can stay dry in the rain, if not protect them from the elements. How about additional seats too, if not heated seats so that passengers will feel comfy in wintertime?
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Why do people cling to no longer relevant architectural styles
because so many of the new ones are just god awfully dull, or cheesy, etc. I personally disagree with the modernist opinion that any specific architectural style fits only one single era, and is therefore "not relevant". Either way, if you want to get into "relevance" I'd say that artistically, many older styles with their complex details (Victorian, etc) are more representative of the complexities of modern society, than let's say some plain whitewashed facade, or plain glass box could ever be.
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are more representative of the complexities of modern society
Ok, let's be honest, who are you kidding now?
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I have similar photos on that... Perhaps I should share a few of them too on my flagship thread.
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Ok, let's be honest, who are you kidding now?
nobody, that's just my opinion. Now i will agree with you on one thing, which is that most neo-historic stuff has this awful Kitsch look to it, which does appear to be nothing more than a cartoon of historic architecture, such as that bust stop which you guys were complaining about.
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