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Old July 12th, 2015, 12:12 AM   #1081
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The most cost effective option would've been BRT.
How would you run the BRT along Hegenberger and 73rd Avenue? Would you run it like the nighttime 805 that does Downtown Oakland - Oakland Airport via MacArthur Boulevard and Eastmont TC?
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Buses are an inferior form of transportation and should be avoided as much as possible.
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I take the opposite view: it is a great way to get around when trains don't go to your desired destination. Not to mention, those help out in feeding passengers beyond traditional transportation modes to serve local attractions like shopping centers, community centers, and denser neighborhoods. It's just how they're setup that can make or break an agency's service quality... City buses play a more utilitarian role, while suburban services offer train-like amenities (if it is funded properly).
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Old July 12th, 2015, 08:13 PM   #1084
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How would you run the BRT along Hegenberger and 73rd Avenue? Would you run it like the nighttime 805 that does Downtown Oakland - Oakland Airport via MacArthur Boulevard and Eastmont TC?
Just take the center lanes from traffic where ever possible, with maybe a bit special viaducts at the terminals, Coliseum BART Oakland International. Then throw a few stops in along the way, and you get a far superior transportation option serving more people for way less cost.

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Do what is right in terms of capacity and available ROW, and forget about specific modes.
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I imagine it was the most cost-effective option. Cable cars are really realiable.
The cable's already snapped and broken down once in the short time since opening. San Fran has issues with its cable cars. They're not THAT reliable.
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Old July 13th, 2015, 12:12 AM   #1086
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Just take the center lanes from traffic where ever possible, with maybe a bit special viaducts at the terminals, Coliseum BART Oakland International. Then throw a few stops in along the way, and you get a far superior transportation option serving more people for way less cost.

Do what is right in terms of capacity and available ROW, and forget about specific modes.
You've got the big challenge called the 73rd Avenue/Hegenberger Blvd viaduct that crosses over the Amtrak tracks, and that you cannot simply design a BRT service for a corridor that is like, what, 2 miles long and will only end up serving like 5 to 10 stops (all of which garner some passenger traffic)...? Unless you tell me you want to redesign the 73 line to be extended further south (to Foothill Square) or north (towards either Downtown Oakland or Emeryville and reassign the current Line 58L to this route, in which we can then open up the issue of redesigning MacArthur Boulevard) from its current terminal at Eastmont Transit Center, the BRT line between Coliseum BART and Oakland Airport will be woefully short and not get a lot of riders.

By the way, to access Coliseum BART from Eastmont or 73rd & International, buses have to go through several side streets in the area (East Oakland, anyone?) since the viaduct does not provide westbound access to the BART/Amtrak Station.
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Old July 13th, 2015, 12:48 AM   #1087
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You've got the big challenge called the 73rd Avenue/Hegenberger Blvd viaduct that crosses over the Amtrak tracks, and that you cannot simply design a BRT service for a corridor that is like, what, 2 miles long and will only end up serving like 5 to 10 stops (all of which garner some passenger traffic)...? Unless you tell me you want to redesign the 73 line to be extended further south (to Foothill Square) or north (towards either Downtown Oakland or Emeryville and reassign the current Line 58L to this route, in which we can then open up the issue of redesigning MacArthur Boulevard) from its current terminal at Eastmont Transit Center, the BRT line between Coliseum BART and Oakland Airport will be woefully short and not get a lot of riders.

By the way, to access Coliseum BART from Eastmont or 73rd & International, buses have to go through several side streets in the area (East Oakland, anyone?) since the viaduct does not provide westbound access to the BART/Amtrak Station.
That's why I said viaducts AT THE TERMiNALS, I was talking about having a special viaduct that would take a theoretical airport BART BRT around the 73rd St Viaduct and have it avoid the need to use those side streets (I'm assuming Coliseum to Airport here). And line length has nothing to do with the potential utility of line, though in sane environment this would've been a BRT from Eastmont to the Airport.
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All right... with BART opening its latest station, Warm Springs/South Fremont, in December this year, the agency is looking to approve the fare matrix corresponding to this station on 23 July 2015. Based on the report, the sample fares are as follows:


To read the chart:

- The current fare between Embarcadero and Fremont, for example, is $5.95
- The fare increment that will be incurred between Fremont and Warm Springs if you board from Embarcadero would be $0.40
- The fare once you hit Warm Springs would be the sum of the current fare to Fremont BART plus the fare increment. And the proposed fare in January 2016 comes in part with the agency's annual fare hike.

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Under full acceleration, a full length 10 car train can hit 45-48 MPH before the last car leaves the platform. Enjoy =)
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Old July 23rd, 2015, 10:07 PM   #1094
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And speaking of BART, it will be closing the Transbay Tube and West Oakland Station for major repair works on the following weekends:

• August 1 and 2
• September 5 to 7 (Labor Day weekend)

A Transbay bus bridge operating between the Transbay Terminal and 19th Street/Oakland BART will be in place to help displaced passengers who want to travel between San Francisco and Oakland. Based on Facebook reports (from a bus group I participate in), around 84 buses will be deployed on the Transbay service that will be offered to passengers at no extra charge, including AC Transit, Golden Gate Transit, Muni, and SamTrans.

As a result, the following lines will be operational on those weekends:

• Fremont – Richmond
• Dublin/Pleasanton – Pittsburg/Bay Point
• Embarcadero – SFO Airport
• Embarcadero – Millbrae

And I believe those trains will operate on weekday commute lengths (up to 10-car consists) to accommodate passenger loads.

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How to get around during the BART closures:

Since the Transbay bus service will be frequent, yet crowded, it is recommended that you need to line up early to avoid missing your appointment or flight. Expect up to an hour's delay with this setup.

Bus lines that go directly to and from the Transbay Terminal during the closure include:

• Muni:
– 5-Fulton
– 7-Haight/Noriega
– 14-Mission
– 14R-Mission Rapid
– 25-Treasure Island
– 38-Geary
– 38R-Geary Rapid

• Golden Gate Transit (10, 70, 101)
• AC Transit (I hope the F, NL, and O run normally those days)
• SamTrans (292)

And I believe overnight bus services (Muni 5, 14, 25, 38; SamTrans 397; AC Transit 800, 822) will operate as normal those days. I only hope WestCAT will provide augmented bus service too from Hercules and Del Norte BART (with Lynx) to help even more passengers.

To travel between San Francisco and Oakland Airport:

• Take BART or Muni Metro to Embarcadero Station, or any Muni bus to the Transbay Terminal (5, 7, 14, 14R, 25, 38, 38R). If taking BART or Muni Metro, walk along either Fremont Street or Beale Street (I recommend the latter) to the Temporary Terminal.
• Board the Bus Bridge to 19th Street/Oakland BART
• Once at 19th Street/Oakland BART, take either the Dublin/Pleasanton or Fremont train (whichever comes first) at Basement Level 2 and disembark at Coliseum/Oakland Airport BART
• Upon arrival at Coliseum BART, either take the Oakland Airport Connector train ($6) or AC Transit Line 73 ($2.10) to the Airport

From Oakland Airport to San Francisco:

• Either take the Oakland Airport Connector train ($6) or AC Transit Line 73 ($2.10) to Coliseum BART
• Board either a Pittsburg/Bay Point or Richmond train (whichever comes first) and get off at 19th Street/Oakland BART
• Head towards 20th Street & Broadway (WB) and wait for the Transbay bus there to San Francisco
• Once you arrive in San Francisco, you can either take Muni (5, 7, 14, 14R, 25, 38, 38R) from the Transbay Terminal or walk to Embarcadero BART/Muni Metro to your final destination.

— For Market Street (up to 3rd Street), use the 5, 7, or 38
— For Civic Center, use the 5 (McAllister) or 7 (Market Street)
— For Golden Gate Park, use the 5 (north side) or 7 (south side)
— For Alamo Square, use the 5 (get off at McAllister & Fillmore or McAllister & Pierce)
— For Haight/Ashbury and Ocean Beach, use the 7
— For Church Street or Castro, use Muni Metro K, L, or M or take the F-Market & Wharves streetcar (board at Market & Drumm)
— For Union Square and Geary Blvd, use the 38 or 38R
— For South of Market and Mission Districts, use the 14 or 14R
— For Treasure Island, use the 25
— For Caltrain and AT&T Park, use Muni Metro N or T

Additional nearby Muni Routes from Ferry Plaza, close to the Transbay Terminal, include:

• 2-Clement (for Union Square, Pacific Heights, and the Inner Richmond)
• 6-Haight/Parnassus (for Market Street, Haight/Ashbury, UCSF, and Inner Sunset)
• 9-San Bruno (for Market Street & Van Ness, 11th Street, Potrero Ave, and Cow Palace) — board this bus from Market & 3rd since its weekend terminal is on 2nd & Market
• 21-Hayes (for Market Street & 9th Street, Alamo Square, and Stanyan Street)
• 31-Balboa (for Market Street & 5th Street, Tenderloin, University of San Francisco, Richmond District, and Ocean Beach)

Additional AC Transit routes from 19th Street/Oakland BART include:

• B-Broadway Shuttle (6pm to 1am, Saturday only) between Koreatown and Jack London Square
• 1-International Blvd to Berkeley BART (via Telegraph Avenue) or Bay Fair BART
• 11 to Piedmont (via Grand Avenue) or Lake Merritt BART
• 12 to Berkeley BART (via M.L. King, Jr.) or 10th & Broadway
• 18 to Berkeley BART and Albany (via Shattuck Avenue) or Montclair (via Park Blvd.)
• 51A to Rockridge BART (via College Ave) or Fruitvale BART (via Santa Clara Ave in Alameda)
• 72/72M-San Pablo to Hilltop Mall (72), Point Richmond (via MacDonald Ave, 72M), or Jack London Square (72 and 72M)
• 72R-San Pablo Rapid to Contra Costa College or Jack London Square
• NL to Eastmont Transit Center via Grand Ave and MacArthur Blvd

More bus services from 12th Street/Oakland BART include:

• Broadway Shuttle, 1, 11, 12, 18, 51A, 72, 72M, 72R
• 1R-International Rapid for faster service along International Boulevard to Bay Fair BART
• 14 to Fruitvale BART via High Street and E 18th Street
• 20 to Fruitvale & MacArthur via Alameda South Shore, Park Street, and Fruitvale BART
• 26 to Emeryville (Public Market) or Lakeshore & Wala Vista (board on 14th Street)
• 31 to Alameda Point
• 40 to Eastmont Transit Center via Foothill Blvd
• 88 to Berkeley BART (via Market Street) or Lake Merritt BART

Just ask for even more destinations beyond Transbay Terminal and 19th Street/Oakland BART.
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For passengers traveling to SFO Airport or Millbrae, take note:

Two separate trains will serve both destinations. Look at the overhead sign to make sure you board the correct train.

From East Bay to SFO Airport or Millbrae (for Caltrain):

• Board BART or use AC Transit to get to 19th Street/Oakland BART
• Board Transbay bus on 20th & Broadway to San Francisco
• Upon arrival at Transbay Terminal, walk along Beale Street to Embarcadero BART
• Board desired train to SFO Airport or Millbrae (note: for destinations between Montgomery and San Bruno, board either train)

Note: No trains will serve both SFO Airport and Millbrae during the temporary closure.

From Millbrae (Caltrain) or SFO Airport to the East Bay:

• Board BART at either terminal and disembark at Embarcadero BART (for passengers boarding between San Bruno and Montgomery, either train will work fine)
• Once out of Embarcadero BART, walk along either Fremont or Beale Street (I recommend the latter) to the Transbay Terminal
• Board a Transbay bus for 19th Street/Oakland BART
• Upon arrival at 20th & Broadway (19th Street BART), take BART or AC Transit to your desired destination

Note: for passengers traveling between SFO Airport and Millbrae (Caltrain), switch trains at San Bruno station. No trains will serve both SFO Airport and Millbrae during the temporary closure.

Remember, at 19th Street/Oakland and 12th Street/Oakland City Center BART:

• For Dublin/Pleasanton or Fremont, go to Basement Level 2 (side platform only)
• For Pittsburg/Bay Point and Richmond, go to Basement Level 1 (island platform) — usually, the Pittsburg/Bay Point train boards on Platform 3, while Richmond trains board on Platform 1
• Listen to the announcements for the correct platform and boarding locations
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I have mixed feelings about not being in the Bay Area for the BART closures.
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