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Old October 23rd, 2010, 10:37 PM   #121
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The IORE trains on the Ore line in northern Sweden and Norway. 180 tons, 7200 hp (5400 kW), hauls 8000 tonnes Ore trains from the Ore fields to the ports in Luleå and Narvik.

Not really correct. It should say 360 tons, 14'400 hp (10'800 kW) hauls 8'000 tonne iron ore trains. The locomotives are normally used in pairs. You can see me in this picture in the right window of the engine ;-)

Europe has also some 35 t axle locomotives, whenever they do not move on public railroads: the 4-axle locomotive EL 2000 of Rheinbraun. See also here.

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HXD3B (9600 kW) one of the most powerful locomotive in the world, designed by Bombardier for the Chinese railway:
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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:32 AM   #122
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Three locomotive series have been developped for the Chinese Railways :
HXD1 (Zhuzhou/Siemens), HXD1B (Zhuzhou), HXD1C (Zhuzhou/Ziyang)
HXD2, HXD2B (Datong/Alstom), HXD2C (Datong)
HXD3 (Dalian/Datong/Toshiba), HXD3B (Dalian/Bombardier), HXD3C (Dalian)


HXD1 | Bo'Bo'+Bo'Bo' | 9,600 kW | (Siemens)



HXD1B | Co'Co' | 9,600 kW



HXD1C | Co'Co' | 7,200 kW



HXD2 | Bo'Bo'+Bo'Bo' | 10,000 kW | (Alstom Prima)



HXD2B | Co'Co' | 9,600 kW | (Alstom Prima)



HXD3 | Co'Co' | 7,200 kW



http://www.railserver.be/railcolor/f....php?f=53&t=23
http://q.sohu.com/forum/17/topic/48136157
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNR-Baureihe_HXD3B
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tives_in_China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%2...est_locomotive
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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:53 AM   #123
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Three locomotive series have been developped for the Chinese Railways :
HXD1 (Zhuzhou/Siemens), HXD1B (Zhuzhou), HXD1C (Zhuzhou/Ziyang)
HXD2, HXD2B (Datong/Alstom), HXD2C (Datong)
HXD3 (Dalian/Datong/Toshiba), HXD3B (Dalian/Bombardier), HXD3C (Dalian)


HXD1 2xBoBo (9,600 kW)



HXD2 2xBoBo (10,000 kW)

Those are maybe a 4*BoBo. I see 4 boggies.

They look like small twins locos with the size of 1.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 11:35 AM   #125
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Those are maybe a 4*BoBo. I see 4 boggies.
4*BoBo would mean 4 semi permantly coupled units with a total of 8 bogies.

Although the correct way to describe these loco's in the UIC system would be:
Bo'Bo'+Bo'Bo'
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Old October 25th, 2010, 05:35 AM   #126
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IORE - LKAB | Co'Co'+Co'Co' | 10,800 kW (2×5400) | 360 t | 80 km/h | (Bombardier)


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Old October 25th, 2010, 02:29 PM   #127
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The romanian locomotive Softronic Trans Montana ; Maximum speed of 160 km/h
- axle formula : CoCo
- length over buffers: 19740 mm
- windth: 3000 mm
- pantograpf operating range under the conctact line measured from the upper side of the head of rail : 4850 - 6700 mm
- distance between the centeres of the bogies: 10300 mm
- distance between the extreme axles of a bogie: 4350 mm
- wheel diameter in new state: 1250 mm
- wheel diameter in senu-used state: 1210 mm
- total load without balast: 120 +-2%
- axle load: 20+-2% f
- nominal power: 6000 kW
- traction force at the hoop in nominal service with semi-used ferrules: 292 kN
- nominal power of traction transformer: 5790 k V A

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Old October 25th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #128
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The romanian locomotive Softronic Pheonix 6600kW AC,CO-CO,Maximum speed of 200 km/h [IMG]ttp://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6861/img4132n.jpg[/IMG]
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Old October 25th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #129
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What about the locomotives used in eurotunnel shuttle services:

Some figures:
Top speed 100 mph (160 km/h)
Power output 7000 kW
Tractive effort 400 kN
UIC classification Bo'Bo'Bo'

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Old October 29th, 2010, 07:41 PM   #130
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Don't know if this counts, but Amtrak has placed an order for new locomotives built by Siemes, called CitiesSprinter.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/nc/new...comotives.html

Now I hope there will be a diesel version of this locomotive.
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Old October 29th, 2010, 11:59 PM   #131
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Don't know if this counts, but Amtrak has placed an order for new locomotives built by Siemes, called CitiesSprinter.
That thing is to small to be a giant locomotive. It is comparable with NJT ALP-46A.

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These locomotives have the electric equipment from Switzerland. The original version hat only 5,8 MW, the new and rebuilt versions have 7'2 M.W
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Old October 30th, 2010, 12:08 AM   #132
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Three locomotive series have been developped for the Chinese Railways :
HXD1 (Zhuzhou/Siemens), HXD1B (Zhuzhou), HXD1C (Zhuzhou/Ziyang)
HXD2, HXD2B (Datong/Alstom), HXD2C (Datong)
HXD3 (Dalian/Datong/Toshiba), HXD3B (Dalian/Bombardier), HXD3C (Dalian)
correct, but the generation are the letters, not the numbers:

1st generation: 2 x (Bo'Bo'), w/ mainly imported parts:
HXD1 (Zhuzhou/Siemens), HXD2 (Datong/Alstom), HXD3 (Dalian/Datong/Toshiba)

2nd generation: Co'Co' w/ mainly imported parts
HXD1B (Zhuzhou), HXD2B (Datong/Alstom), HXD3B (Dalian/Bombardier)

3rd generation: Co'Co' fully indigenised
HXD1C (Zhuzhou/Ziyang), HXD2C (Datong), HXD3C (Dalian)
HXD3C will come in various versions w/ speed upto 170 km/h
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4*BoBo would mean 4 semi permantly coupled units with a total of 8 bogies.

Although the correct way to describe these loco's in the UIC system would be:
Bo'Bo'+Bo'Bo'
You gave me the idea to post this one (ok, slightly of topic, but it was at least three phase!)


Source: parovoz

What you see here are the two only (Bo'Bo')'(Bo'Bo') locomotives I know, both built by Colomna, Russia.

left: TEP80 diesel locomotive

right: EP200 electric locomotive

There exist two EP200 locomotives. These have been
(Bo'Bo')'(Bo'Bo')' in 3ph synchronous motor technology developed and built in Russia.
Yes, they moved. No, they never went into service, not even into trial service. The mechanic was not too bad, but the control electric part was very outdated. 001 is in the National Railroad Museum near the Rizhsky Station in Moskau, 002 is rotting very close to the place the picture above was taken.
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IORE - LKAB | Co'Co'+Co'Co' | 10,800 kW (2×5400) | 360 t | 80 km/h | (Bombardier)


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That's crazy, you know how many of these are in stock?
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That's crazy, you know how many of these are in stock?
There are 13 locomotives and more to come.
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The romanian locomotive Softronic Trans Montana ; Maximum speed of 160 km/h
- axle formula : CoCo
- length over buffers: 19740 mm
- windth: 3000 mm
- pantograpf operating range under the conctact line measured from the upper side of the head of rail : 4850 - 6700 mm
- distance between the centeres of the bogies: 10300 mm
- distance between the extreme axles of a bogie: 4350 mm
- wheel diameter in new state: 1250 mm
- wheel diameter in senu-used state: 1210 mm
- total load without balast: 120 +-2%
- axle load: 20+-2% f
- nominal power: 6000 kW
- traction force at the hoop in nominal service with semi-used ferrules: 292 kN
- nominal power of traction transformer: 5790 k V A
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The romanian locomotive Softronic Pheonix 6600kW AC,CO-CO,Maximum speed of 200 km/h
It has to be noted that the specs are:

Transmontana
Power:
-peak: 8200kW
-sustained (nominal): 6000kW
Tractive effort:
-peak: 420kN
-sustained up to 70km/h: 388kN
Gearing:
- mixed traffic: 160 km/h

Phoenix
Power:
-peak: 6600kW
Tractive effort:
-peak: 320kN
Gearing:
-passenger: 200km/h
-freight: 120 km/h

Some locomotives have max power presented, while others don't.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 09:27 AM   #138
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You gave me the idea to post this one (ok, slightly of topic, but it was at least three phase!)


Source: parovoz

What you see here are the two only (Bo'Bo')'(Bo'Bo') locomotives I know, both built by Colomna, Russia.

left: TEP80 diesel locomotive

right: EP200 electric locomotive

There exist two EP200 locomotives. These have been
(Bo'Bo')'(Bo'Bo')' in 3ph synchronous motor technology developed and built in Russia.
Yes, they moved. No, they never went into service, not even into trial service. The mechanic was not too bad, but the control electric part was very outdated. 001 is in the National Railroad Museum near the Rizhsky Station in Moskau, 002 is rotting very close to the place the picture above was taken.
EMD made some experiments with Bo'Bo'+Bo'Bo' with the EMD FT (A and B units permanently coupled with a draw bar)




And they even managed to squeeze some Do'D'o in metric gauge to Brasil in the form of the DDm45 (there are more than 80 of these in service there):


Under the same frame we also could add the EMD U50


Wich were diesel rebuilds using the trucks from the Turbine experimental locomotives:





Wich came in Bo'Bo'+Bo'Bo' and Co'Co' + Co'Co' flavours:


Other giant American Diesel was the DD35A wich was a Do'D'o


The DD40X was of a similar design:



EMD even produced cabless Do'Do' DD35 units for UP (see the middle of the power pack)


The virginian Railways (USA) had some (B+B-B+B)+(B+B-B+B) electric monsters: (two bóBó+Bo'bo' units back to back)


The biggest beasts in American rails nowadays are the SD80/SD90 (retired from service recently) and a chinese variant is being developed as the JT56ACe (6000hp)
http://www.emdiesels.com/emdweb/products/jt56ace.jsp
http://www.emd-china.com.cn/
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