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Old October 18th, 2011, 04:47 AM   #121
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An artists imprssion of Dublin's new Metro:



The Metro's three proposed routes:

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Old October 18th, 2011, 05:15 PM   #122
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Luas Tram:


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Old October 18th, 2011, 09:15 PM   #123
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New Dublin Bus lane system:

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Old October 18th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #124
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I don't see red line extension to Citywest (opened on July 2, 2011).
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Old October 18th, 2011, 10:20 PM   #125
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A video about proposed St Stephens Green station for Metro and DART underground

Hell! That's a massive station and really questionable for a city like Dublin. This station would be even huge for cities like Madrid, Berlin or Paris... Isn't this a slap in the face of every country providing the financial stability? Over here in Germany most infrastructure projects are canceled due to financial crisis spreading over PIIGS and in Dublin they build cathedrals under the ground?
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Old October 19th, 2011, 05:12 AM   #126
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Hell! That's a massive station and really questionable for a city like Dublin. This station would be even huge for cities like Madrid, Berlin or Paris... Isn't this a slap in the face of every country providing the financial stability? Over here in Germany most infrastructure projects are canceled due to financial crisis spreading over PIIGS and in Dublin they build cathedrals under the ground?
However all the construction jobs that will be created to build such a system might help the economy get out of the shitter, thus lessening the need for financial assistance, good old Keynes.
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Old October 19th, 2011, 10:00 AM   #127
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However all the construction jobs that will be created to build such a system might help the economy get out of the shitter, thus lessening the need for financial assistance, good old Keynes.
I guess that Ireland has not the industrial capacity to either dig the tunnels nor build the trains. Just think about things like all the machinery and technology needed from the tunnel boring machine to the signaling equipment and fire-protection installation. From 1bln Euro invested how much will remain in Ireland? Most will go abroad - if back to German / French companies it would be just another subsidy by the public funding to the German / French industry. But i guess that much money will even go outside the EU for buying cheaper stuff like from South Korea or Turkey.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 05:01 AM   #128
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I guess that Ireland has not the industrial capacity to either dig the tunnels nor build the trains. Just think about things like all the machinery and technology needed from the tunnel boring machine to the signaling equipment and fire-protection installation. From 1bln Euro invested how much will remain in Ireland? Most will go abroad - if back to German / French companies it would be just another subsidy by the public funding to the German / French industry.
That's why German and French governments might support such spending
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Old October 20th, 2011, 09:33 PM   #129
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I guess that Ireland has not the industrial capacity to either dig the tunnels nor build the trains. Just think about things like all the machinery and technology needed from the tunnel boring machine to the signaling equipment and fire-protection installation.

We do have tunnels in Ireland. This one runs under part of Dublin City. It's a twin bore cut and cover and underground tunnel. It's actually the longest motorway tunnel under a city in Europe apparently.






Here is one in Limerick City also twin tube under the biggest river in Ireland



And here is one in Cork City (it's a bit older but it's also twin tube)



Think it is safe to say we have the expertise.
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Old October 20th, 2011, 09:44 PM   #130
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Hell! That's a massive station and really questionable for a city like Dublin. This station would be even huge for cities like Madrid, Berlin or Paris...
I don't think so. It's a station that is intended to be a hub for two separate underground lines that cross each other. It seems minimum for what would be required IMO. The city is very congested and surface lines are not really a runner do to no land availability for construction.

In any case it is intended to be financed mostly by the private sector which would lease it back to the Government.
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Old January 29th, 2012, 02:58 PM   #131
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Dublin’ tramway system has returned in 2004. Currently there are 5 routes. But red & green lines are not connected with each other, which is not practical. Like Buenos Aires, Dublin is among very few cities & towns of the world, which has unconnected/broken tram network.

Now we are expecting specially the extension of route 5 (I mean green line). I heard the green line will cross the red lines near (former) Nelson Pillar. It is very urgent. Currently, who want to go from Saggart to Brides Glen by tram, he/she can’t travel on a continuous journey. He/she should get down on Abbey Street, then take a bus or walk towards St. Stephen’s Green, then finally take another tram to continue his journey. Joining both lines will start tram service directly from Brides Glen to Points village, Connolly Rail Station, Saggart & Tallaght

But it is very sad to hear that further extensions have now cancelled. There was a bright plan to extend tram networks towards Broom-bridge in December 2012, Newcastle Road in December 2013, Bray-Daly in December 2015, Fassore in December 2015, and Dun-drum via Rathfarnham. The great sad matter is that all this extensions are now cancelled (to save cost).

How foolish!! To save cost??? Which is important – saving cost or saving mankind from this polluted city?

It is clear that Dublin’s tram company is still not sincere to extend the network, just like the previous tram network, which was ultimately closed in 1944.

And only one question (I DIDN’T ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE TO ANYONE):-

Is this the final decision to stop the extensions??
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Old January 30th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #132
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LUAS BXD connecting the two lines will be going ahead, should be done in this decade lol.
http://www.rpa.ie/en/projects/luas_c...s/default.aspx
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 03:47 AM   #133
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This station would be even huge for cities like Berlin...
Except you got most of yours rebuilt and paid for by America. Why don't you share with us who has been defending Germany since the end of WWII? Tell us what percentage of your GDP is spent on the military Isek?

You are a typical ill-informed, and ungrateful fool.

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Over here in Germany most infrastructure projects are canceled due to financial crisis spreading over PIIGS and in Dublin they build cathedrals under the ground?
I'm not impressed that your conversation is all about the bailouts. What should be the centerpiece of discussion is the lack of controls against your stereotype. But consider this:

The Irish Government just paid €1.25bn to unguaranteed bondholders of Anglo Irish Bank (many of them German):

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ay-181396.html

This despite fierce opposition from Irish Taxpayers. The Irish Government never agreed to insure the losses of every bondholder. The unguaranteed bondholders of Anglo Irish Bank were protected at the insistence of zhe German ECB with vested interests. Several European and American bondholders are protected by the Irish Taxpayer (even though there is no legal obligation to pay unguaranteed bondholders). If you think this will be allowed to impact Irish investment, competitiveness and standard of living, you are dreaming...
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 02:29 PM   #134
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LUAS BXD connecting the two lines will be going ahead, should be done in this decade lol.
http://www.rpa.ie/en/projects/luas_c...s/default.aspx
I Hope it will be finished quick, thanks for your answer
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Old February 4th, 2012, 12:18 AM   #135
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Except you got most of yours rebuilt and paid for by America. Why don't you share with us who has been defending Germany since the end of WWII? Tell us what percentage of your GDP is spent on the military Isek?

You are a typical ill-informed, and ungrateful fool.
Off course, ill-informed are always the other ones. May I correct your simplistic perception that Germany were defended by foreign nations for free. The naked truth is the western allies occupy West Germany. As did the Russians. But they already withdrew their troops.

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I'm not impressed that your conversation is all about the bailouts. What should be the centerpiece of discussion is the lack of controls against your stereotype. But consider this:

The Irish Government just paid €1.25bn to unguaranteed bondholders of Anglo Irish Bank (many of them German):

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ay-181396.html

This despite fierce opposition from Irish Taxpayers. The Irish Government never agreed to insure the losses of every bondholder. The unguaranteed bondholders of Anglo Irish Bank were protected at the insistence of zhe German ECB with vested interests. Several European and American bondholders are protected by the Irish Taxpayer (even though there is no legal obligation to pay unguaranteed bondholders). If you think this will be allowed to impact Irish investment, competitiveness and standard of living, you are dreaming...
The Irish Government only sweeps up the shards of its own policy. It was the Irish Government who deregulated the Irish financial industry which allowed Irish banks to took irresponsible risks and loaned out money to virtually everyone in Ireland. If the Irish people and businesses who borrowed money from the Irish banks would just pay back their debts there would be no need for a bail-out, neither for the Irish nor for any other Government.

The Irish taxpayer just pays for a mess the Irish people, businesses and Government have got their country into.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 05:06 PM   #136
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Off course, ill-informed are always the other ones. May I correct your simplistic perception that Germany were defended by foreign nations for free. The naked truth is the western allies occupy West Germany. As did the Russians. But they already withdrew their troops.
Herr Flierfy. lay off on the schnapps freund........ The last time I checked, they still have a huge base at Ramstein. The biggest help however was the Allied creation of the current German constitution. The true cost of protecting Germany during the Cold War was over two trillion dollars. Without such a massive expenditure by the American Taxpayer, it could be argued that Isek might have been Putin’s plaything. But, German sensibilities would preclude such an acknowledgment. The trillions of dollars the American middle class has spent protecting your sorry a-- was and is the basis of your prosperity. The single currency allows Germany to essentially borrow at a vastly lower interest rate than market without having to actually borrow or even print the physical cash. Let's give an honorable mention to the Turkish slaves toiling in German factories without having to be burdens to their society. I mean, really, if you overlook that horrifying part and the cost shouldered by immigrants for vast social welfare programs they personally will never partake of, it really is the basis for Germany's wealth.


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The Irish Government only sweeps up the shards of its own policy. It was the Irish Government who deregulated the Irish financial industry which allowed Irish banks to took irresponsible risks and loaned out money to virtually everyone in Ireland. If the Irish people and businesses who borrowed money from the Irish banks would just pay back their debts there would be no need for a bail-out, neither for the Irish nor for any other Government.

The Irish taxpayer just pays for a mess the Irish people, businesses and Government have got their country into.
So the unguaranteed bondholders in German banks should be bailed out by the Irish Taxpayer??? Man, you have obviously lost your glasses again. We should not forget that when the financial crisis broke out in 2008, about 30% of the billions of American dollars poured into AIG to cover its insurance obligations found their way into German banks that AIG had insured. Germany never acknowledged that transfer of funds that were crucial to prevent the German financial system from collapsing. You should be grateful for all this.
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Herr Flierfy. lay off on the schnapps freund........ The last time I checked, they still have a huge base at Ramstein. The biggest help however was the Allied creation of the current German constitution. The true cost of protecting Germany during the Cold War was over two trillion dollars. Without such a massive expenditure by the American Taxpayer, it could be argued that Isek might have been Putin’s plaything. But, German sensibilities would preclude such an acknowledgment. The trillions of dollars the American middle class has spent protecting your sorry a-- was and is the basis of your prosperity. The single currency allows Germany to essentially borrow at a vastly lower interest rate than market without having to actually borrow or even print the physical cash. Let's give an honorable mention to the Turkish slaves toiling in German factories without having to be burdens to their society. I mean, really, if you overlook that horrifying part and the cost shouldered by immigrants for vast social welfare programs they personally will never partake of, it really is the basis for Germany's wealth.
What you write is utter tosh. Germany prospered way before the occupation. It neither needed the USA to step in nor Turkish migrant. The latter are fully integrated into the welfare state. They contribute and benefit from it as any German does. Neither were they slaves. They came of their own free will and get properly paid for their work.

The USA has always protected and will always protect American interests only. The USA give a shit about Germany or any other country for that matter. They station their troops to protect solely themself.

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So the unguaranteed bondholders in German banks should be bailed out by the Irish Taxpayer??? Man, you have obviously lost your glasses again. We should not forget that when the financial crisis broke out in 2008, about 30% of the billions of American dollars poured into AIG to cover its insurance obligations found their way into German banks that AIG had insured. Germany never acknowledged that transfer of funds that were crucial to prevent the German financial system from collapsing. You should be grateful for all this.
I'd be grateful if the Irish debtors would just pay the debts they owe. That would help the Irish banks more than any bail-out.
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Old February 7th, 2012, 10:58 PM   #138
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Note to all, keep this thread on topic, please. Whether or not you agree with the metro building is one thing, but starting an open argument on the topic and derailing the thread (no pun intended) is unacceptable.

Thank you.
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Old February 9th, 2012, 06:36 PM   #139
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All other tram extension, and (so called) metro construction has been indefinitely postponed.
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I think it's a big error. Dublin desperately needs a metro network!
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