Leeds Building List - Page 32

Liam · April 26th, 2007, 03:18 PM

Criterion has looked dead in the water for a while. The dismantling of the signs were a bad omen indeed.....

joeyB_86 · April 26th, 2007, 04:06 PM

What dismantling of the signs? There still up.

***Rob*** · April 26th, 2007, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred2

Heard various rumours on the grapevine today.

First, the price of building materials, glass etc. is going through the roof and is affecting plans like Criterion. Will it ever be built? Same goes for other schemes. Even Lumiere ?

Second, heard that in the third phase of Gateway the tower has been cut down from the anticipated 26 storeys to a lower build to tone in with the other phases.

Can anyone confirm?

I wouldn't see too much into these rumours. We had rumours not long ago from unreliable sources saying almost everthing's being cancelled, and many turned out not to be true.

There's a lot of news about the price of steel going up, but I've never heard anything about the price of glass, I don't see how it could have a hike as the raw materials required are plentiful and stable, and energy prices are coming down now.

As for Criterion, developers of projects like Criterion always keep their cards close to their chests, and usually even other companies don't know their tactical planning. The Gateway news makes some sense and wouldn't surprise me as this small developer has probably overstretched itself, but again where is this from? Gateway has a new website recently published, not as detailed as the old one but the number of apartments quoted for the whole scheme (640) is exactly the same as for the existing design with the tower, so no evidence there to suggest a downsizing.

***Rob*** · April 26th, 2007, 06:26 PM

Oh, and John Thorpe mentioned Lumiere and Criterion on the future skyline of Leeds ... TODAY (he and Kevin Grady were on Andrew and Georgie's breakfast show this morning).

He's the GOD of Leeds buildings, so if he's not aware of these projects failing, then that's good enough me.

JOliver · April 26th, 2007, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob

He's the GOD of Leeds buildings, so if he's not aware of these projects failing, then that's good enough me.

I don't think Dandara would buy into dead project. If there's an economic sense in building Lumiere, certainly Criterion will still be on the cards.

Val Verde · April 26th, 2007, 09:08 PM

Well certainly regarding Criterion Place I had e-mailed my concerns about when the thing will start several months ago but recieved zero reply with not even some stuff saying it will soon be the North's showpiece development automated response as a reply with unspecified date of commencement. I really would love it to be developed but looking at Simon Estates track record of low rise business parks and retail parks as opposed to high rise skyscrapers really makes me wonder if they are up to the job for such a development as opposed to someone like KW Linfoot or the Beetham Organisation. Could we perhaps see Simons sell on the planned scheme to someone else like those two developers perhaps as three years from the first announcement surely we should have heard more by now?

joeyB_86 · April 26th, 2007, 09:24 PM

Well BWP was KW Linfoot first biggen (and even though he wasnt there at the start) so it's not like he is
Mr. Experience

Fred2 · April 26th, 2007, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob

Oh, and John Thorpe mentioned Lumiere and Criterion on the future skyline of Leeds ... TODAY (he and Kevin Grady were on Andrew and Georgie's breakfast show this morning).

He's the GOD of Leeds buildings, so if he's not aware of these projects failing, then that's good enough me.

I don't necessarily think much his authoritative opinion on this subject!

My information (and again I can't vouch for it but time will tell!) is that Criterion is probably dead. The developer of Gateway didn't factor inflation into the pricing and that is a contributory reason behind the reduction in the height of the proposed 26 storey tower in the third phase.
Building costs are rising very quickly and, for example, a particular price of glass for windows can now only be held for thirty days.

***Rob*** · April 26th, 2007, 10:04 PM

Criterion Place may be on ice for a while, but I'm sure it won't be dead, now Dandara are on board and combined with other snippets of news we've had over the last 12-24 months.

aviator · April 26th, 2007, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred2

I don't necessarily think much his authoritative opinion on this subject!.....

What's your reason for saying that?

SirCWilson · April 26th, 2007, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred2

I don't necessarily think much his authoritative opinion on this subject!

My information (and again I can't vouch for it but time will tell!)

You'll take information you can't verify over the opinion of the Civic Architect? You are just plain weird.

Fred2 · April 27th, 2007, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirCWilson

You are just plain weird.

Thank you, Sir Charles !

Stefan88 · April 27th, 2007, 04:25 PM

Pics taken from The Marlborough today. My student halls.

View into town with WRH, K2 and Park Plaza in the distance.

Don't no what that area is called.

City Island

View looking towards Cottingley and around there. You can usually see Emley Moor from here but it was hazey today.

joeyB_86 · April 27th, 2007, 05:48 PM

how long will this tower block stick around:

surely with the surrounding developement, you would have thought this building would be soon demolished.

Stefan88 · April 27th, 2007, 06:01 PM

Yeh I no what you mean it is in abit of a prime location for a tower block. But it's fairly clean and the front entrance has recently been refurbished abit so I should imagine it being around for a few years yet.
It's pretty full aswell at night most of the lights are on inside it.
It's only 45 p/w to live there if you share with 2 other ppl. Thats a bargain for the location and think of the views you will get in a few yrs time with Lumiere and Criterion etc being built.

mark*ie · April 27th, 2007, 06:09 PM

Nice shots Stef... How much do you pay the window cleaner ! ?

Leeds No.1 · April 27th, 2007, 06:20 PM

Id say its more likely to get a K2 style reclad than demolition.

Stefan88 · April 27th, 2007, 06:32 PM

Something like this would be appropriate. Braidwood Court in Notts has just been refurbished. Finished Product. It would cost loads to refurb a building to the standards that K2 was done.

Orgoglioso · April 27th, 2007, 06:38 PM

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You can cast one vote per day and give a reason why you want Leeds, mine was that Leeds is the knightsbridge of the north and has a booming financial economy that embody everything that Monopoly is. So come on guys get voting everyday!!!!!!! Here is the link:

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Leeds No.1 · April 27th, 2007, 06:56 PM

Wouldn't worry too much! Glasgow is ahead of London and Durham is near the bottom! Leeds isn't far behind London. So it's a bit silly really!

April 26th, 2007, 03:18 PM	#621
Liam Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 328 Likes (Received): 0	Criterion has looked dead in the water for a while. The dismantling of the signs were a bad omen indeed..... __________________ SIGN OUR PETITION FOR THE LEEDS SUPERTRAM http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Leeds-Supertram/

April 26th, 2007, 06:26 PM	#624
*Rob* Proponent of Leeds Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Leeds, UK, EU. Posts: 4,357 Likes (Received): 14	Oh, and John Thorpe mentioned Lumiere and Criterion on the future skyline of Leeds ... TODAY (he and Kevin Grady were on Andrew and Georgie's breakfast show this morning). He's the GOD of Leeds buildings, so if he's not aware of these projects failing, then that's good enough me. __________________ Visit Leeds on Skyscrapernews.com

April 26th, 2007, 10:04 PM	#629
*Rob* Proponent of Leeds Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Leeds, UK, EU. Posts: 4,357 Likes (Received): 14	Criterion Place may be on ice for a while, but I'm sure it won't be dead, now Dandara are on board and combined with other snippets of news we've had over the last 12-24 months. __________________ Visit Leeds on Skyscrapernews.com Last edited by Rob; April 27th, 2007 at 07:51 PM.

April 27th, 2007, 06:09 PM	#636
mark*ie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Leeds, England UK Posts: 1,052 Likes (Received): 0	Nice shots Stef... How much do you pay the window cleaner ! ? __________________ expect the unexpected, when you least expect it most...

April 27th, 2007, 06:20 PM	#637
Leeds No.1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Leeds, EU Posts: 22,299 Likes (Received): 102	Id say its more likely to get a K2 style reclad than demolition. __________________ "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure, It is our light not our darkness, that frightens us"

April 26th, 2007, 04:06 PM	#622
joeyB_86 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 701 Likes (Received): 0	What dismantling of the signs? There still up.

April 26th, 2007, 09:08 PM	#626
Val Verde Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Leeds Posts: 5,547 Likes (Received): 8	Well certainly regarding Criterion Place I had e-mailed my concerns about when the thing will start several months ago but recieved zero reply with not even some stuff saying it will soon be the North's showpiece development automated response as a reply with unspecified date of commencement. I really would love it to be developed but looking at Simon Estates track record of low rise business parks and retail parks as opposed to high rise skyscrapers really makes me wonder if they are up to the job for such a development as opposed to someone like KW Linfoot or the Beetham Organisation. Could we perhaps see Simons sell on the planned scheme to someone else like those two developers perhaps as three years from the first announcement surely we should have heard more by now?

April 26th, 2007, 09:24 PM	#627
joeyB_86 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 701 Likes (Received): 0	Well BWP was KW Linfoot first biggen (and even though he wasnt there at the start) so it's not like he is Mr. Experience

April 27th, 2007, 04:25 PM	#633
Stefan88 New Nottingham! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 11,709 Likes (Received): 15	Pics taken from The Marlborough today. My student halls. View into town with WRH, K2 and Park Plaza in the distance. Don't no what that area is called. City Island View looking towards Cottingley and around there. You can usually see Emley Moor from here but it was hazey today.

April 27th, 2007, 05:48 PM	#634
joeyB_86 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 701 Likes (Received): 0	how long will this tower block stick around: surely with the surrounding developement, you would have thought this building would be soon demolished.

April 27th, 2007, 06:01 PM	#635
Stefan88 New Nottingham! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 11,709 Likes (Received): 15	Yeh I no what you mean it is in abit of a prime location for a tower block. But it's fairly clean and the front entrance has recently been refurbished abit so I should imagine it being around for a few years yet. It's pretty full aswell at night most of the lights are on inside it. It's only 45 p/w to live there if you share with 2 other ppl. Thats a bargain for the location and think of the views you will get in a few yrs time with Lumiere and Criterion etc being built.

April 27th, 2007, 06:32 PM	#638
Stefan88 New Nottingham! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nottingham Posts: 11,709 Likes (Received): 15	Something like this would be appropriate. Braidwood Court in Notts has just been refurbished. Finished Product. It would cost loads to refurb a building to the standards that K2 was done.

April 27th, 2007, 06:38 PM	#639
Orgoglioso Leeds, La dolce vita Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Leeds Posts: 629 Likes (Received): 0	HEY PEOPLE OF LEEDS! LEEDS NEEDS YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!! ok got your attention, Monopoly are doing an online vote for the cities which get on the next board, we are currently 15th placing us in the unflattering light blue zone on the board, we want to be in the grren and blue zones, Sheffield is currently way ahead of us!!!!!!! You can cast one vote per day and give a reason why you want Leeds, mine was that Leeds is the knightsbridge of the north and has a booming financial economy that embody everything that Monopoly is. So come on guys get voting everyday!!!!!!! Here is the link: http://www.monopoly.co.uk/leaderboard.aspx __________________ Leeds, La dolce vita Ah'll sithee Leeds I am Nobody, Nobody is perfect, therefore I must be perfect!

April 27th, 2007, 06:56 PM	#640
Leeds No.1 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Leeds, EU Posts: 22,299 Likes (Received): 102	Wouldn't worry too much! Glasgow is ahead of London and Durham is near the bottom! Leeds isn't far behind London. So it's a bit silly really! __________________ "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure, It is our light not our darkness, that frightens us"

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