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Old September 29th, 2013, 09:58 PM   #2101
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If you are not persistent then don't bother doing anything in China.
You're absolutely right. But you should give Silverstein credit too. It's easy to give up on 2 WTC when it's been basically a stub for years.

And anyway, it'd be pretty impressive to see this rise, but I'd have to check back every single day to this thread because every single day brings more possiblity to the fact that it could be finished. I think it'd be nice if they built it in ninety days, but I think 5 or 6 months is more realistic.
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Old September 29th, 2013, 10:38 PM   #2102
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heck if they start now and finish it by 2018 i am still happy and it is one of the biggest archievements in construction.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #2103
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With what are they going to fill this tower? I don't get it, is China building like morons tower after tower without needing it? or they really have enough "stuff" to fill them up?
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Old September 30th, 2013, 01:33 AM   #2104
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This is true about UAE, not China.
China has 1,353,821,000 citizens and 22 finished supertalls at the moment.
UAE has 8,264,070 citizens and 20 supertall buildings
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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:08 AM   #2105
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With what are they going to fill this tower? I don't get it, is China building like morons tower after tower without needing it? or they really have enough "stuff" to fill them up?
You're obviously a man who doesn't have 1.384 billion odd neigbours where the simple act of walking on the sidewalk is an exercise in patience , where the number of cars exceed the number of parking places in most places getting on a form of public transport during peak hours can be a form of torture. If this tower lives up to expectations then maybe cities can be built to be more livable eg you might even get to see grass or trees in public areas as a norm.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:19 AM   #2106
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This is true about UAE, not China.
China has 1,353,821,000 citizens and 22 finished supertalls at the moment.
UAE has 8,264,070 citizens and 20 supertall buildings

The figure of 1.353.821.000 is simpy the count but the count will never include everybody eg illegals , those born but not registered to avoid population controls and those outside the country or intentionally evading the count , those in transit etc. The real number is obviously greater than the count.

But your point is a valid one, I mean applying simple logic why would a country build expressways for cars that don't exist or airports for planes they don't have or buildings for places with no people? Even if such a scenario plays itself out then these things are still built. A half empty hotel is still considered a hotel.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:27 AM   #2107
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You're absolutely right. But you should give Silverstein credit too. It's easy to give up on 2 WTC when it's been basically a stub for years.

And anyway, it'd be pretty impressive to see this rise, but I'd have to check back every single day to this thread because every single day brings more possiblity to the fact that it could be finished. I think it'd be nice if they built it in ninety days, but I think 5 or 6 months is more realistic.
Around here it's best practice never to give up on something after two years or four or eight. Plan A is not giving up when things are against you that's what makes the Chinese such aggressive competitors they don't back off or drop their heads.

But it's a valid observation for a lot of other people, all of this is part of a fifty year plan decided upon more than twenty years ago. The people who implemented it knew they weren't going to be around when the plan was eventually fulfilled neither would a lot of people born after its implementation. Here we are twenty five years down the line and they are still going at it hammer and tongs.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #2108
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In short for the above posters, it's about having a vision.

I was just commenting on that on another topic a day or so ago. An example would be nearly any Catholic or classical church in Europe. Most of those grand cathedrals took several hundred years to build, through generations of builders. The architect would be lucky to see the plans be funded or a foundation laid.

Now sometimes, sure, plans don't work and we are left with excess. But at the same time, one can not blame the leader and creators of plans for being bold dreamers who would rather see no alternative than to try.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #2109
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And it is not just a matter of China. Many neighbouring countries, whose population are similar to a mere middle-size province of China, are bulding supertalls like there's no tomorrow: Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam...
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #2110
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Heres a link about the test model for Sky city,it seems like its the concept model of the the transition between the last and second to last tier of the building . The structural system used is totally different from the 30 stories hotel and seems much more robust overall.

http://www.treehugger.com/modular-de...-building.html
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Old October 1st, 2013, 01:35 AM   #2111
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is that the building we saw under construction before and already guessed it might be a test structure?
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Old October 1st, 2013, 04:10 AM   #2112
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Seems to be that, yeah. But what's cooler is that they do show some interior work rather than the one or two structural photos we're all familiar with.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 06:26 AM   #2113
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Heres a link about the test model for Sky city,it seems like its the concept model of the the transition between the last and second to last tier of the building . The structural system used is totally different from the 30 stories hotel and seems much more robust overall.

http://www.treehugger.com/modular-de...-building.html
¡¡¡Great, great, great...!!!

I just wish the permission requirements don't take too long.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 08:02 AM   #2114
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And it is not just a matter of China. Many neighbouring countries, whose population are similar to a mere middle-size province of China, are bulding supertalls like there's no tomorrow: Korea, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam...
China will act as an enormous growth engine for the surrounding countries so rapid economic expansion including infrastructure development would be a by poduct of that process. In terms of supertall/megatall tower construction I think that China will establish a lead that others will attempt to follow. Such construction efforts are a sign of confidence in the future, they reflect growing optimism and belief.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 08:04 AM   #2115
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¡¡¡Great, great, great...!!!

I just wish the permission requirements don't take too long.

Lets cross our fingers on this one.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 08:42 AM   #2116
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According to the following NextBigFuture article
http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/09/meg...pers.html#more

“The Burj Al-Arab has “the greatest vanity ratio of any supertall building” with 124m (39%) of its total 321m height “devoted to non-occupiable space above the highest occupiable floor”. The average vanity height in the UAE is 19%, making it the nation with “vainest” supertall buildings. China's skyscrapers average 14% vanity height. US skyscrapers have averaged 13% vanity height.”

“The highest occupied floor of the Burj Khalifa is at 580 meters and the public observatory is at 450 meters."
"The Broad Group Sky City should have a 727 meter occupied floor and public observatory on its roof.” The roof of the coffee house atop Sky City is at about 830 meters. That's about 1% vanity.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 01:42 PM   #2117
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Btw even test building have the helipad. Seems like they are serious about the idea

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i hope they keep the cladding color for the tall one. it's like a black mirror
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Old October 1st, 2013, 03:17 PM   #2119
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There is so much specualtion around this project it seems inconceivable that there could be no substance to it.

" Where there is smoke there is fire"
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Old October 1st, 2013, 03:58 PM   #2120
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the satellite pictures speak for themselves, the project is not a joke. they try to build it, if they will be able to start rising and able to finish that is the question
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