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Old June 16th, 2012, 10:56 PM   #341
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So speed is the reason why the design is lego cheap. If they building it, and it works, the face of skyscraper as we know it today will change. For the worst. It could put us behind design wise for years.
No, it will start a new era of pure beauty, just as the Willis Tower and the Twin Towers did in the 70s. This building is by far the most beautiful building in the world, so I am looking forward for that era
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Old June 16th, 2012, 11:51 PM   #342
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^ You definitely have some... interesting tastes, my friend :P
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Old June 17th, 2012, 02:02 AM   #343
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He has? Comparing this to sears shows rather lack of it. Unlike Kanto believes not everything what boxy is automatically beautiful

ok I know it was rather sarcastic
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Old June 17th, 2012, 11:47 AM   #344
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i don't see this happening in the amount of time they are saying.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 11:49 AM   #345
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Well I wouldn't say Sky City has a design at all, it's more like a building designed by structural and civil engineers than architects. The configuration is purely utilitarianism, since its design goal is to house as many people as possible and provide a complete community experience in one building, I'd even say this is the ultimate commie block.

The financial success of this building is rather irrelevant, it's not just a PR stunt for the company, but also pushing forward prefabrication technology in constructing complex structures. There is no doubt that BSB will have to develop new technologies to pull this off, and those advancement will slowly find their way into more practical applications. Just like how auto racing and lunar exploration helped advancing the automobile and aerospace industry.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 01:12 PM   #346
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He has? Comparing this to sears shows rather lack of it. Unlike Kanto believes not everything what boxy is automatically beautiful

ok I know it was rather sarcastic
I agree, not every box is beautiful. For example the Sino Steel tower is ugly
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Old June 17th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #347
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Well I wouldn't say Sky City has a design at all, it's more like a building designed by structural and civil engineers than architects. The configuration is purely utilitarianism, since its design goal is to house as many people as possible and provide a complete community experience in one building, I'd even say this is the ultimate commie block.

The financial success of this building is rather irrelevant, it's not just a PR stunt for the company, but also pushing forward prefabrication technology in constructing complex structures. There is no doubt that BSB will have to develop new technologies to pull this off, and those advancement will slowly find their way into more practical applications. Just like how auto racing and lunar exploration helped advancing the automobile and aerospace industry.
Very good post sir Maybe the technology will be improved in the future to form some kind of hybrid between prefabrication technique and conventional methods (to make outer layer of the building a more complicated form included in the design), but now it is just a commie block as you mentioned (I was actually thinking about that very same comparison before ). Maybe just a bit more appealing to the eye since it will be covered with glass cladding instead of moldy bare concrete as the commies. But as we talk about the shape it's just the form to make best use of space and make it stable.

The bottom line is that even the bsb themselves told us it is never going to be a landmark tower. They are not even hiding the fact that it wasn't designed to be beautiful. That's why it is imo extremely weird comparing sears or wtc twins one of the most beautifully designed buildings on the world to the building that actually doesn't have a design at all.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 02:56 PM   #348
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The Twin Towers were prefabricated super efficiency buildings too, so I don't see how this is any different from them
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the proportions, cladding, arrangement, simplicity of shape everything...
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Old June 17th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #350
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This building is like the inbred child of Empire State Building and Sears Tower. Even THAT'S a compliment.
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Old June 17th, 2012, 04:17 PM   #351
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the proportions, cladding, arrangement, simplicity of shape everything...
The proportions are naturaly bigger, since it is a newer tallest in the world than the Twins, the cladding is more modern and I would say better, the shape is identically simplistic, right angled and boxy as the Twins were, the arragement is indeed different. To make the long story short, it looks different than the Twins but has a lot in common with them. The Willis Tower is however far more similar to this tower than the Twins are
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Old June 18th, 2012, 10:53 AM   #352
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I agree, not every box is beautiful. For example the Sino Steel tower is ugly
I actually think that that's one of the best ones As for this one, it's quite possibly the ugliest design of 21st century skyscrapers!
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Old June 18th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #353
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I agree, not every box is beautiful. For example the Sino Steel tower is ugly
yeah, i also think the cladding is awful. still hope it will look better in reality than on the renders
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Old June 19th, 2012, 01:23 AM   #354
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I actually think that that's one of the best ones As for this one, it's quite possibly the ugliest design of 21st century skyscrapers!
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Old June 19th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #355
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So speed is the reason why the design is lego cheap. If they building it, and it works, the face of skyscraper as we know it today will change. For the worst. It could put us behind design wise for years.
Speed isn't the reason. It is a by-product, just like cost, of an extremely efficient construction method which, among other things does away with a concrete core ( this was at least the case in the previous BSB efforts).

Even if this method proves successful beyond our wildest dreams, that would still not sound the death toll for more innovative architecture. In a sense the construction world is already in such a dualism, just a less ostensible one: we have very simple and fast construction methods for 25-30 storey residential towers going up like mushrooms all over China (and in cities around the world really). But at the same time we have ambitious architectural projects under way that constantly require new techniques, architects and construction teams thinking on their feet, are much more costly and take far longer to build.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 08:34 PM   #356
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I kind of like it. It's simplistic yes, but not every tall building has to be an architectural statement. There's actually something refreshing about a design where the goal is to actually use all or most of the space.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #357
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Chinese have already built a 30-story building in 15 and 15-story building in 6 days.
Look:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57...-just-15-days/

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/c...-just-six.html
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Old June 20th, 2012, 01:19 AM   #358
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i surely hope so. this project will either be one of the biggest failures or an architectural achievement that will have the future of skyscraper building.
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Is very common to be aggresive for something new...let's give them some time to begin and very fast is going to be seen if this is possible or just dreams...

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Old June 20th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #359
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This Sky-City is about ...

sustainability + innovation + creating affortable living/working spaces + getting rich

All are very much encouraged and promoted by the most higher up central authorities in Beijing.


And yes, aesthetic appeals are not part of the programs
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Old June 20th, 2012, 09:06 AM   #360
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ok, I will ask a litle different question... how big or high building can be built in 6 months with technology they are using?

400, 500m?
It depends on the strength of the steel they are using for constructing the lego blocks that make up the lower floors
They will need to be able to withstand the enormous weight of all the upper floors combined. If not, the whole tower will collapse like the WTCs did during the 9/11, when the steel on the lower floors were no longer able to support the weight of the building after the fierce fire softens the steel columns.

Oh, and also, the piles will need to reach solid rock foundation. A 800m tower will be heavy, really heavy.
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