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Old June 24th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #401
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Old June 25th, 2012, 08:16 AM   #402
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Yes, because they are planning to build the world's tallest building in three months all for a boy who lives in a country where the tallest building is 100m that has a hard on for roof height and right angles. Yup yup, it's all about Kanto.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 09:30 AM   #403
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Sounds like a lot of bullshit. Even if this was in Shanghai I would be skeptical. Chinese people speak a lot of shit, hard to take most of them at face value.

847 metres in Changsha? Sure they don't mean 247 metres.......lol!
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Old June 25th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #404
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Also, three months to build that thing? I also think that's crap, it won't happen no matter what construction techniques they use. And, yes, I worked in construction
for a long time.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 11:12 AM   #405
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The building under construction next to Shanghai Tower is Oriental Financial Center. The "plot" next to Jinmao is reserved green belt and no skyscraper will be built there.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 11:43 AM   #406
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Old June 25th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #407
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If they say they can build it in 3 months...Why shouldn't we believe them? They will build it. And If so...you know, world could change forever.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #408
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Of course they could actually erect the tower in as little as three months if that's what they're claiming . It's not quite accurate to say that they can build it all in so little time though because they're obviously not including anything that needs to be done below ground .

Honestly though , I don't even know why anybody here is debating this . This thing is not going to happen . It would be like saying Wichita , Kansas was going to be the site . Sure , you could build it in Wichita too but that's not the problem . The problem is whether or not there's a market for it . There's not .
Changsha is a Tier 2 city (at best) in China and , really , is much closer to a tier 3 city .
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Old June 25th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #409
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How to become a tier 1 city? Put this building up in three months.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #410
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Of course they could actually erect the tower in as little as three months if that's what they're claiming . It's not quite accurate to say that they can build it all in so little time though because they're obviously not including anything that needs to be done below ground .

Honestly though , I don't even know why anybody here is debating this . This thing is not going to happen . It would be like saying Wichita , Kansas was going to be the site . Sure , you could build it in Wichita too but that's not the problem . The problem is whether or not there's a market for it . There's not .
Changsha is a Tier 2 city (at best) in China and , really , is much closer to a tier 3 city .

According to wikipedia the metropolitan area of Changsha has a population of approximately 3 million. So I wouldn't be so sure that there is no "market" for this in Changsha. China is still in the process of urbanisation, and a building like this promises lower costs for real estate, plus it will allow more residential buildings to be built within the vicinity of the city (not to mention that the tower itself is full of all kinds of services). Now, one of the problems of new residential developments in China --aside from being too expensive for poorer Chinese-- is that they are often miles (in Beijing up to 2 hours drive from the city centre) outside of town. Even if lower class citizens could afford such homes they probably wouldn't choose to live there because such places offer them no opportunity for earning a living like they used to. Sky city hopes to offer a solution to this.

As for the foundation, I think you're right; but look back to the previous BSB efforts: foundation preparation and consolidation are never factored into the construction time. It's safe to assume that they will take far longer than that to prepare the foundation, and are most probably doing so as we speak (if they hope to complete this project on schedule).
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Old June 26th, 2012, 02:17 AM   #411
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Changsha probably doesn't have nearly as much demand of office space as Tier one cities, but that's completely different from residential needs. This building is first of foremost a residential tower, apartments are always in high demand in Chinese cities, no matter how small.
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It could be done, below is a video of a 30 story skyscraper built in China in just 15 days!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdpf-MQM9vY ***30-story building built in 15 days*** Construction time lapse *View Fullscreen*
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Old June 26th, 2012, 05:36 PM   #413
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It could be done, below is a video of a 30 story skyscraper built in China in just 15 days!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdpf-MQM9vY ***30-story building built in 15 days*** Construction time lapse *View Fullscreen*
please stop quoting that video,if anything this proposal will take years to build,not months,that 30 storey tower is nothing like this 220 storey tower
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Old June 27th, 2012, 02:08 AM   #414
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wtf, is it april 1st?
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Old June 27th, 2012, 06:22 AM   #415
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I don't know. Broad Construction's methodologies look sound from a pre-fab perspective (though arguably, I'd wonder how things would work long-term and I'm no structural engineer). Looks like a very successful company and at least they could erect the superstructure of the building quite fast. I'm guessing simply what that video showed but of course at a far greater workforce / materials scale but no, of course I'd HOPE things like the foundations, mechanical fit-out and so forth take their time!

Since it appears this structure harkens back to the steel-frame towers of the 70s in a remote sense (little to no concrete), I don't see how this wouldn't be undoable. Unlikely in 3 months? Probably. Undoable? I'd like to think they could figure that out.

If this goes ahead it'll probably be one of the first pure utilitarian uses of not just a skyscraper but a supertall. Again by that I only mean it really eschews all ornamentation and "art" for pure function - which, ironally may make it in and of itself, beautiful.

Oh well, will be neat to wait and see. Still would put my $ on Kingdom Tower at least being partway up though before this goes ahead in full.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 10:16 AM   #416
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If they say they can build it in 3 months...Why shouldn't we believe them? They will build it. And If so...you know, world could change forever.
If I told you I could fly to Mars, why wouldn't you believe me?

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Old June 27th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #417
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Old June 27th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #418
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Old June 27th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #419
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Changsha probably doesn't have nearly as much demand of office space as Tier one cities, but that's completely different from residential needs. This building is first of foremost a residential tower, apartments are always in high demand in Chinese cities, no matter how small.
Changsha probably has more like 4 million+ people atm as many urban migrants are not registered as city dwellers because of the hukou system. And Changsha is one of the biggest cities in Central China, which is a region that is getting primary attention from the central government now, as a way to shift the economic development to the central part of China.

Comparing Changsha to some small town in Kansas is ludicrous.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 09:11 PM   #420
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When will this building be started?
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