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Old November 25th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #981
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How is this tower boxy? It's like saying empire state building is boxy.
This building is ugly because it's a disproportional mess, not because of boxiness.
Yeah, I suppose, it certainly not a impressive as the Burj Khalifa
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Old November 25th, 2012, 09:09 PM   #982
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I think this building is impressive because of its size, it just looks so massive. It wouldn't look out of place in Blade runner for example.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #983
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To suggest that building a 30 story building is comparable to building a 220 story megatall is ridiculous. It's not just the matter if multiplying the construction time with how many times taller you're building, it's a totally different world in every way.
Building a crummy, cheap looking hotel is no proof that this company can pull off the tallest structure in the world. Especially not in a such a short time.
Still sounds like a bad joke.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 11:19 PM   #984
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To suggest that building a 30 story building is comparable to building a 220 story megatall is ridiculous. It's not just the matter if multiplying the construction time with how many times taller you're building, it's a totally different world in every way.
Building a crummy, cheap looking hotel is no proof that this company can pull off the tallest structure in the world. Especially not in a such a short time.
Still sounds like a bad joke.
Sorry, I never was the comedian. :\
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:05 AM   #985
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Sorry, I never was the comedian. :\
I meant the project with this schedule is a joke...
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #986
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compare this project with one wtc, the actual wtc project a fart in space when it goes in slow motion. Outrageously how slowly the scraper moves forward and the whole building is of course a mockery of what was before. Seems that New York loses its shine from every day unfortunately. This is the future, aiming for the stars. Watch and learn on how Chna do
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #987
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I meant the project with this schedule is a joke...
Ohhhhhhh.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #988
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it takes more time to lift things 500m than to only lift it 100m. the higher up you go the slower the construction will go.
Using a crane to lift anything so high up will be at the mercy of the weather.

I wonder how many cranes and lifts/elevators they are going to use for each of the sections.

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Old November 26th, 2012, 08:53 AM   #989
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The massive cores are not only for resisting the weight. Resisting only weight is really easy for a materials like steel or concrete. The main work of the main core is to resist lateral efforts as wind and prevent deformations or torsion in the whole structure that could collapse it. It is made to rigidize the structure.
It is other way around The super columns resist to the wind in modern skyscrapers not the core.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 11:03 AM   #990
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Would be nothing more then fantastic if this gets build within a year. If they pull that off it is a bigger achievement then the Burj Khalifa...Not more beautiful, but in terms of engineering. Awesome Project
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:09 PM   #991
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Masterplan of J220

Here's broad groups master plan for J220
http://inequalityreduced.blogspot.co...-realised.html

Riverfront J220 Masterplan


J220 Helipad with Bell Helicopter


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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #992
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I hope to be a Architect one day too. This tower is designed because people are moving into China's cities at a huge rate and they need somewhere to live in a limited space so in this way prefab supertall buildings could be a cheap solution.
No way a building of this size could be profitable. This is just plain 'I want to be the biggest'.

I don't think it will be build BTW.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:37 PM   #993
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^ It's super cheap to build, 1/10th of Burj Khalifas price, so it's IS profitable, and 85% of it is residential.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #994
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And there's a lots of floor space in it too!
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Old November 26th, 2012, 01:47 PM   #995
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I really wonder how much empty space there would have to be in this tower. After all, there should be laws (or at least architectural principles) in place requiring all apartments to have some sort of windows.

This works well for the external apartments, but what about those inside the tower? I guess atriums would provide a decent solution for the "arms of the cross", but wouldn't the building core take up lots of room along the centre of the tower?

I can't imagine they would build apartments without any sort of windows, surrounded by other apartments on every side. Still, I wonder what the alternatives would be, unless they make the tower a giant empty shell ("a bundle of straws", so to speak) with a massive core.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #996
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I really wonder how much empty space there would have to be in this tower. After all, there should be laws (or at least architectural principles) in place requiring all apartments to have some sort of windows.

This works well for the external apartments, but what about those inside the tower? I guess atriums would provide a decent solution for the "arms of the cross", but wouldn't the building core take up lots of room along the centre of the tower?

I can't imagine they would build apartments without any sort of windows, surrounded by other apartments on every side. Still, I wonder what the alternatives would be, unless they make the tower a giant empty shell ("a bundle of straws", so to speak) with a massive core.
I think windowless condos are a reality we will need to simply accept in the near future. Yeah, it seems pretty sad at first but then again so are many of the things we already have, like cars that break down constantly, education systems that don't teach, and hospitals that wont help you until you pay.

It's just that windowless units are a new thing. So I'm sure theyre will be people, including myself who think its different and even absurd, but in reality it's not that bad. What do we really need windows for anyway? The view? Mostly light. LEDS are becoming common place, as well as effecient alternative energy sources.

I think we will adapt to it. Just give it sometime.
After all, you know how many people cirtisized the Wright brothers for trying to fly? Ofcourse, they argued, flying is for birds, not people. But look where we are today. Windows or not, it still gives us a place to live, and I think people will have to slowly accept that. IMO anyway.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #997
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No way a building of this size could be profitable. This is just plain 'I want to be the biggest'.

I don't think it will be build BTW.
The potential for profits is the main reason why they are building it this way.

If successful in terms of maintenance and operating costs, a hybrid of these future 'cities' may come true in China.



I think about half of the residential towers we see right now in China will be torn down within 15 years.

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^ It's super cheap to build, 1/10th of Burj Khalifas price, so it's IS profitable, and 85% of it is residential.
And I expect the lower maintenance and operating costs to be the main attraction for future buyers.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 03:24 PM   #998
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If there's a massive core within each wing, I don't think there would be any window-less apartments
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I really wonder how much empty space there would have to be in this tower. After all, there should be laws (or at least architectural principles) in place requiring all apartments to have some sort of windows.

This works well for the external apartments, but what about those inside the tower? I guess atriums would provide a decent solution for the "arms of the cross", but wouldn't the building core take up lots of room along the centre of the tower?

I can't imagine they would build apartments without any sort of windows, surrounded by other apartments on every side. Still, I wonder what the alternatives would be, unless they make the tower a giant empty shell ("a bundle of straws", so to speak) with a massive core.
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I think windowless condos are a reality we will need to simply accept in the near future. Yeah, it seems pretty sad at first but then again so are many of the things we already have, like cars that break down constantly, education systems that don't teach, and hospitals that wont help you until you pay.

It's just that windowless units are a new thing. So I'm sure theyre will be people, including myself who think its different and even absurd, but in reality it's not that bad. What do we really need windows for anyway? The view? Mostly light. LEDS are becoming common place, as well as effecient alternative energy sources.

I think we will adapt to it. Just give it sometime.
After all, you know how many people cirtisized the Wright brothers for trying to fly? Ofcourse, they argued, flying is for birds, not people. But look where we are today. Windows or not, it still gives us a place to live, and I think people will have to slowly accept that. IMO anyway.
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Just to clarify: these are picture of the previous design, but it goes without saying that similar principles could be applied to the final design.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #1000
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wow, some of these apartments would be really big. over 200m sqm, that's damn much...more than our whole house where i live . I believe we've 120sqm here, and that's quite ok.
that shows how big this tower will be!
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