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Old July 25th, 2013, 04:09 AM   #1701
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How do we know this isn't digging for the factory that will produce the pre-fab sections?
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Old July 25th, 2013, 05:55 AM   #1702
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Changsha City Government stops Sky City's construction after it began 4 days ago. The project has not received its necessary permits. And the Project construction is deemed illegal. I think Broad Group has over played its hand, and jump the gun too early. The government looks very pissed off at them now, I would imagine the building permit would be delayed even more now if not alright denied by this rash action.

http://roll.sohu.com/20130725/n382500073.shtml

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“世界第一高楼”遭质疑,湖南省住建厅表示——

  据新华社电 远大集团号称高838米、比“迪拜塔”还要高10米的“世界第一高楼”——“天空城市”20日在长沙望城区郊外办了个热闹的“基础开工”典礼。记者近日深入现场调查发现,炒得沸沸扬扬的“天空城市”迄今竟然没有报建。其规划、环评、安全风险评价情况如何?

  838米高楼可抗9级地震

  据远大集团介绍,“天空城市”由该集团子公司天空城市投资有限公司投资建设,集团另一子公司远大可建科技有限公司负责建筑建造,基础部分由中国建筑第五工程局有限公司施工。这一建筑使用远大独有的可持续建筑技术,即钢结构预制装配化。预计明年1月完成基础设施施工,4月封顶。预计造价90亿元。

  速度之快,成本之低,令人惊讶。湖南大学建筑学院一些教师对记者表示,用钢结构全装配方式盖低层建筑并不稀奇,但盖超高层大楼在世界上没有先例。大楼安全、运营、后期维护等都是问题,需要做抗风、抗震试验。“我质疑这些试验有没有做,而且造价肯定低了。如果按公布的造价,即使盖起来,也会是一个空壳子。”一位教师说。

  远大集团拒绝接受记者对有关问题的采访。但其官网刊出的《天空城市为什么》一文称,其快速建楼技术已在30多栋建筑中得到验证。“天空城市”90%的工程都将在工厂里完成,所以只需要7个月就可以建成。该建筑采用绝对对称式金字塔造型,结构极其稳固,再加上成熟的束筒结构及卢森堡巨型H钢,可抗9级地震,可耐烧3小时以上。经过国内外三家研究所的风洞试验,并通过中国超限高层建筑抗震设防评审。

  远大并不具备建筑资质

  “天空城市”开工,舆论最关注的问题包括监管审批情况、对周边环境影响、安全风险评估等信息。对此,远大集团方面除了宣称“技术先进”,其他均未回应。

  而项目承建方和当地政府部门的态度也很耐人寻味。记者近日联系了“天空城市”所在的望城区滨水新城管委会主任佘浩宇。佘浩宇称:“相关信息都需要同远大方面确认,正在筹划近日发布。”但截至24日中午对方仍无音信。其间,记者还致电望城区城乡规划局办公室,询问“天空城市”建设用地规划许可证、建设工程规划许可证办理情况,工作人员让记者留下电话后说稍后与记者联系,但直至发稿前一直没有回复。

  就在一些人对“天空城市”的信息遮遮掩掩时,记者独家获悉:湖南省住建厅明确告知,“天空城市”项目迄今没有办理报建手续。业内人士指出,未报建就开工,这一做法属于违法行为。同时,远大集团并不具备建筑资质,必须与有建筑资质的公司合作才能建楼,否则无法立项、报建、验收。
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Old July 25th, 2013, 06:04 AM   #1703
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Can anyone translate that? I'm really curious. Obviously I don't mean Google Translate.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 06:23 AM   #1704
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This tower is literally being built in someones back yard. I wonder if those people in the background of the photo's have any idea what is about to happen. After the 10th floor, it's going to be the tallest structure in that area. Skyline what??? Pretty crazy when you think about it. We are going to need DAILY updates to follow this one if it goes as fast as planned
Those Google earth renderings are old, google map however just got new sat image of that area. see below.

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...32093&t=h&z=14

You can actually see Meixi lake development near by as as well.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=889350

Changsha has lots of skyscraper coming up, and many already under construction, as the Air Force base just south of the city has just relocated lifting height restrictions. I talk about it in my previous post in this thread. The skyline also has drastically changed since the 2011 picture of my post, you can see the effect of lifting height restriction. But the buildings are too boring in my opinion.
https://ssl.panoramio.com/photo_expl...sc&user=709053



Here are some of the projects going on in Changsha:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1362071
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=105429648
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1634552
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1597119
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1614188
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...hp?p=105431413
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1043809
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=969174
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1440233
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1525987
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1366453
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1432556
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1623854
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1184311
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=969174

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Old July 25th, 2013, 08:31 AM   #1705
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same country where a village built a skyscraper
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...kyscraper.html
The villagers of Hua Xi village surely regret the decision to build the 3-billion skyscraper hotel, because in recent year the economy of that village seems to be in huge trouble.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 08:42 AM   #1706
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Changsha City Government stops Sky City's construction after it began 4 days ago. The project has not received its necessary permits. And the Project construction is deemed illegal. I think Broad Group has over played its hand, and jump the gun too early. The government looks very pissed off at them now, I would imagine the building permit would be delayed even more now if not alright denied by this rash action.

http://roll.sohu.com/20130725/n382500073.shtml
Sounds like they got the go ahead from Wangchen District government, but not the construction department of Hunan Province, that's why those local government guys are dodging reporters. Let's hope it's a temporary setback, after all BSB calls CSSC the "general contractor" so they are certainly more invested in the project than just doing foundation work, probably being certified by BSB to perform similar constructions in the future. As a major stated owned company I'd imagine they can pull a few strings to get the project back on track.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 08:55 AM   #1707
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Changsha City Government stops Sky City's construction after it began 4 days ago. The project has not received its necessary permits. And the Project construction is deemed illegal. I think Broad Group has over played its hand, and jump the gun too early. The government looks very pissed off at them now, I would imagine the building permit would be delayed even more now if not alright denied by this rash action.

http://roll.sohu.com/20130725/n382500073.shtml
It's not under construction according to skyscrapercity.com .

What is the definition for 'illegal' in China .
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Old July 25th, 2013, 09:02 AM   #1708
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Hopefully they'll get the missing permits soon
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Hopefully they'll get the missing permits soon
I am sure the 'permits' are endess because various interest groups want to kill this project.

This project should be under the National Development and Reform Commission's radar.
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Old July 25th, 2013, 10:15 AM   #1710
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Old July 25th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #1712
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What is the definition for 'illegal' in China .
well, looks like the current government is serious about enforcing laws. it's actually a powerful tool of control and intervention direct government action is reformed out of the economy. Perhaps, that's why Wang Qishan is assign to Central Commission for Discipline Inspection.

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Actually that skyline is not bad, sadly the building are spread all over the place rather than in a central CBD.

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I am sure the 'permits' are endess because various interest groups want to kill this project.

This project should be under the National Development and Reform Commission's radar.
A relic like NDRC should be gone!!!
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Old July 25th, 2013, 10:59 AM   #1713
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Wouldn´t it be changed to app again? It´s a pity, I hope they´ll not finish it after Freedom tower has 839m.

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China starts work on world's tallest building



Dubai's 828-meter Burj Khalifa has less than a year left as the world's tallest building.
China's projected 838-meter (2,749 feet) Sky City broke ground in Changsha in central China on July 20.
Astonishingly, the construction company behind it expects to top out in April 2014 -- a build time of just 10 months.
It took five years to build the Burj Khalifa.

Shanghai's skyscraper-laden skyline inspires awe. And, sometimes, envy.
Fast construction claims from Broad Group, the Changsha-based construction company in charge of the build, have elicited strong reactions from China's "netizens," as well as experts.
"The speed is horrifying, how can that be possible?" said one user on Weibo, China's Twitter-like service.
Another criticized the liveability of the homes within, calling the project a "giant stack of trailer homes."
But the building would appear to herald a new age in Chinese construction, one in which tall, fast builds become common.
It's already difficult to keep track of China's tallest building announcements.

China's race for the sky
Other projects under construction in China include:
• Shanghai Tower, Shanghai (632 meters, completion in 2014)
• Goldin Finance 117, Tianjin (597 meters, completion in 2015)
• Ping An Finance Center, Shenzhen (660 meters, completion in 2016)
• Greenland Center, Wuhan (636 meters, completion in 2017)
• Golden Rooster Tower, Suzhou (700 meters, yet to be confirmed)



Ten months from now and this site will be the cause of a lot of neck ache.
More than 10 cities in China are planning to build something taller than the 541-meter (1,775 feet) One World Trade Center, the United States' tallest building due to open early 2014 in New York City, according to the "2012 China Skyscraper Report" by Chinese architecture website motiancity.com.
The site, which defines "skyscrapers" as buildings taller than 152 meters (498 feet), also reports that China currently has 470 skyscrapers, 332 under construction and 516 planned but unconfirmed.
That means by 2022 China could have a total of 1,318 buildings higher than 152 meters, more than twice than expected in the United States.
Last year, real estate data company Emporis reported that half of the 10 tallest buildings under construction worldwide are in China.
Sky City will cost RMB 9 billion ($1.46 billion) to build.
According to Broad Group CEO Yue Zhang, the building is meant to save on energy and land.
The group says the 202-story, 1.05 million-square-meter building will keep at least 2,000 cars off of Changsha city streets by creating an environment no one needs to leave.
The tower will house more than 30,000 people alongside a shopping mall, school, hospital, office areas, roof garden, amusement park, sports facilities, organic farm and a 10-kilometer "walking street" that will run from the first to the 170th floor.
"Residents don't need to step out of the building, they can do everything within it," said Zhang.

Safety concerns
Some are worried the building could be vulnerable to safety hazards, due to the unconventional construction technique devised by Broad Group.
That "fast-building technology" allowed the group to put up a 30-story tower in 15 days in 2011, and a 15-story hotel within six days a year earlier.
VIDEO: See a hotel built in six days
Zhi Yin, head of Beijing Tsinghua Urban Planning Academy, told Xinhua, China's government-sanctioned media body, that Sky City would be "either a marvel or a hoax."
According to Yin, Broad Group's Sky City is an experiment, he claims, that still needs a practical test.
Yin Lu, an architect from Baojia Group, expressed concerns to Xinhua about subsidence when the building gets higher.
Broad Group emphasized that relevant authorities have approved the building as safe.

Super-fast construction method

The construction technique is simple, according to the company.
Some 20,000 workers in BSB's offsite factory produce thousands of prefabricated steel-and-concrete blocks, 60 square meters in size, over four months.
These blocks are transported to the location, hoisted and packed into position to make up the final structure over two months, at a rate of three stories a day.
Another four months are needed to complete the internal construction.
Broad Group has applied this method to more than 30 of their buildings.
There remains a certain amount of skepticism about the feasibility of the project from Chinese public and experts.
The world should know the truth early next year.

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Old July 25th, 2013, 11:15 AM   #1715
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It's more fun. Shanghai tower architecture's better than Sky City, however Sky City raises the height intelligently.
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Oh no..... I saw this on the news. It's been delayed.

How on earth has it not got the right permits? I thought it did! If this was a Chinese Government backed Company (which I believe it is...) I would have thought the government would love the idea of the tallest building in the world being in China.

I think there is a lot more politics behind this project than people think. I believe that because this is such a revolutionary idea - they know that if this projects succeeds that it will effectively make many constuction projects go broke over night - not all but A LOT. And at the moment China cannot afford that... China is building at a stupidly quick rate skyscrapers/towers/apartments/houses that are in some cases empty just to boost GDP. A tower like Sky City that can wipe out so many companies is technically a threat to China's GDP.

I may be a little un-realistic thiking this but to me it's quite logical and its a known fact that China is building to increase GDP.

If my theory is correct, the Chinese will not allow SkyCity to be built and will throw all kinds of obstacles in the way.
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I think you may be right. Think about all those megatalls rising right now in china. Who would like to wait for more expensive space in say wuhan greenland tower if you can have three times the space at lower price several years earlier. Of course broad towers don't rival with all of the real estate business. I think luxury residential projects in usa and europe are safe, but it sure is game changer in china and many powerful chinese developers are against it. I only hope Zhang Yue have balls too and is powerful enough to get this project through but it maybe more to it than just engineering challenges.
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This tower's construction is not going to happen. You can mark my words
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I think you may be right. Think about all those megatalls rising right now in china. Who would like to wait for more expensive space in say wuhan greenland tower if you can have three times the space at lower price several years earlier. Of course broad towers don't rival with all of the real estate business. I think luxury residential projects in usa and europe are safe, but it sure is game changer in china and many powerful chinese developers are against it. I only hope Zhang Yue have balls too and is powerful enough to get this project through but it maybe more to it than just engineering challenges.
Exactly my friend! Exactly! It's a shame really... :-/
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Well. I wouldn't give up on the man just yet. After all it's a guy who have a freaking pyramid on his backyard Who knows if he's persistent enough maybe he will shake the earth.
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