Stanley Dock Tobacco Warehouse

[MarineMan]

Originally Posted by openlyJane

Of all British cities, liverpool is the most transatlantic in feel. I went down to the Stanley Dock today with a New York born friend - ( although she lives in Liverpool). She often says that Liverpool reminds her of New York.

"...if Liverpool can get into top gear again there is no limit to the city's potential. The scale and resilience of the buildings and people is amazing – it is a world city, far more so than London and Manchester. It doesn't feel like anywhere else in Lancashire: comparisons always end up overseas – Dublin, or Boston, or Hamburg."
– Ian Nairn, Britain's Changing Towns, 1967

A return has just been made, by order of parliament, which shews that Liverpool is now the greatest port in the British Empire in the value of its exports and the extent of its foreign commerce. Being the first port in the British Empire, it is the first port in the world. New York is the only place out of Great Britain which can at all compare with the extent of its commerce. New York is the Liverpool of America, as Liverpool is the New York of Europe.
- Liverpool Times 1852

[Chris B]

From the Daily Post -

Liverpool’s Stanley Dock included in English Heritage “at risk” list

THE Government’s conservation body, English Heritage, has included Liverpool’s historic Stanley Dock in a new list of the country’s most endangered industrial buildings.

The dock area, which includes the Grade II listed tobacco warehouse and makes up a large proportion of the city’s Unesco World Heritage site, is among a number of key industrial sites at risk of neglect and decay, according to English Heritage.

Planning permission for a £120m scheme that would have seen the site transformed into more than 900 apartments, offices and leisure facilities was granted by Liverpool city council back in 2008, but no work has taken place.

A revised application by Stanley Dock Properties for the tobacco warehouse to be converted into apartments for short-term lettings has now been submitted to the city council. The plans also include restaurants, bars, commercial office floor space, and an internal multi-level car park. The new application was put in because the earlier planning consent was due to lapse in December.

Article continues here - http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...2534-29619805/

[mandykore]

Has anyone information about what is planned for the two older warehouses at Stanley Dock? These were designed by Jesse Hartley, and opened in 1848. The original warehouses are of a similar design to those at Albert Dock, are considered more important than the Tobacco Warehouse and are grade II* listed buildings. (I find that most people are not even aware that these smaller warehouses exist.)

[the golden vision]

There was a proposal a few years ago(which i wouldn't be in favour of personally) to demolish the Tobacco Warehouse and reinstate the original Hartley Dock. News that it's now on the 'Buildings at Risk Register' was very,very predicatable, not that this will make one iota of difference of course, the North Warehouse, one of the Hartley warehouses has been on the Register for years and continues to rot,with its roof open to the elements .

[MarineMan]

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=sx3...=b&form=LMLTCC

The quay is still there for the south warehouse, between the Tobacco warehouse and the south warehouse.

The tobacco warehouse is too well built to fall down. The north warehouse suffered war damage.

[mandykore]

Thanks, GV

[Wallasey Dave]

It's going to end up "accidently" burning down this building, isn't it?

[buggedboy]

I think it was built to be pretty much fireproof though.

[tommygunn]

Originally Posted by MarineMan

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=sx3...=b&form=LMLTCC

The quay is still there for the south warehouse, between the Tobacco warehouse and the south warehouse.

The tobacco warehouse is too well built to fall down. The north warehouse suffered war damage.

This could be another albert dock it needs sorting.

[aek-94]

Indeed, it does need sorting, but aren't they ceilings inside too low for many redevelopment plans?

[tommygunn]

Originally Posted by Evertonian

Some interior shots of Stanley....

3rd floor. Apparantly most of the floors are of this height. Looks fine to me to be honest.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/heppy37...in/photostream
(Photo by Dave Hepworth)

The old nightclub. Surely this space could be used again as a resturant/pub/retail.

They look ok too me.

[tommygunn]

Originally Posted by aek-94

Indeed, it does need sorting, but aren't they ceilings inside too low for many redevelopment plans?

Think its the size of the building thats the problem its huge.

[mandykore]

Are you certain these pictures are of the Tobacco Warehouse and not the Hartley Warehouses at Stanley Dock? The windows look wrong.

[the golden vision]

I agree with you Mandy, not just the windows but the brick ceilings.

[yoshef]

Originally Posted by aek-94

Indeed, it does need sorting, but aren't they ceilings inside too low for many redevelopment plans?

The last set of plans addressed the low ceilings by partly removing some of the floors, forming double height apartments with mezzanine floors.

[design_man]

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...2534-29703575/

Wow, I am still pinching myself to realise this is actually happening at last. A serious wodge of real money, a serious developer, council support, a viable plan that isn't going to just stuff a zillion student flats into the thing....and it can start soon! This is going to be amazing, and stretches the city centre into new territory. Great for visitors also, it's somewhere that most visitors don't seem to venture out to currently, but it's going to be a nice walk up there in a few years time.

[tommygunn]

I know its great news anyone know what kind of work will be done and any idea how far the money will go is it enough for a full renovation?

[aek-94]

Originally Posted by design_man

This is going to be amazing, and stretches the city centre into new territory.

This is the best thing about the scheme for me. The Business District and the City Centre were not being allowed to expand northwards as they were trapped by Leeds Street, but with the 'City Fringe' scheme, there'll be assistance available to businesses locating in the area between the Stanley Dock (to the north), the Southport Line of Merseyrail (to the east), Liverpool Waters (to the west), and Leeds Street (to the south). Hopefully this expansion northwards and the renovation of the Stanley Dock will allow the Liverpool Waters scheme to be approved faster; and kick off regeneration across north Liverpool and south Sefton.

I still can't believe that the Stanley Dock is finally being renovated, but the future is starting to look a lot brighter for north Liverpool!

[tommygunn]

Anyone else think it would be a good place for the cruise liner terminal with the shops resturants etc?

[openlyJane]

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