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kerouac1848 · December 7th, 2010, 11:05 PM

Yep. One good thing is at least these are the roads Tfl controls rather than the boroughs.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-route-map.pdf

A London version of a 'Big Dig' is, however, I think beyond the vision of Boris or pretty much any current politician looking to lead London in the near future. Maybe it will come from a policy unit (bureaucracy in action) as so many of these ideas actually do.

JGG · December 8th, 2010, 12:03 AM

Impressive pictures of Madrid.

I think for London it would already be an enormous achievement if it could get its roads to the standards of the "before pictures" of Madrid. The North Circular looks third world compared to these "before pictures" of Madrid.

kerouac1848 · December 8th, 2010, 12:36 AM

Quote:

The North Circular looks third world compared to these "before pictures" of Madrid.

It's not all bad...

http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll...,212.5,,0,8.22

DarJoLe · December 8th, 2010, 11:42 AM

Spice up the suburbs with the help of the localism bill
Jonathan Glancey
guardian.co.uk
Tuesday 7 December 2010 14.07 GMT

Dull cul-de-sacs may benefit from local people making planning decisions. But such power requires education too

The Headington shark Localism bill … 'Will we see a school of shark roofs in Oxfordshire? Might someone in Yorkshire add an extension in the guise of a giant batter pudding?' Photograph: Alamy

In 1986, Bill Heine, a local radio presenter, stuck a giant fibreglass shark through the roof of his 19th-century terraced house in Headington, Oxfordshire. Designed by the artist John Buckley, the 25ft sculpture caused as much fuss locally as the great white shark in Jaws had done in cinemas around the world a decade earlier. The local authority wanted it removed – to a swimming pool. But residents – although there was a lively debate – came to like the audacity of the shark at No 2 New High Street, and became its champions. The issue was taken up at government level. Finally, in 1992, the Tory government decreed that "any system of local [planning] control must make some small space for the dynamic, the unexpected, the downright quirky." The shark had been reprieved. Local residents had won the day.

Bill Heine still lives in the house and the shark, getting a bit long in its several rows of teeth, has since been restored. I wonder what might happen to such houses and streets up and down the country now that the government has announced that homeowners in England and Wales will be able to build extensions, extra storeys and conservatories without the need for traditional planning permission?

Will we see a school of shark roofs in Oxfordshire? Might someone in Yorkshire want to add an extension in the guise of a giant batter pudding? Will there be attics shaped like bottles of Newcastle Brown in Washington New Town? Could entire suburbs end up looking like scenes from Dr Seuss drawings, or from images drawn from Noddy, Mon Oncle, Mad Max or In the Night Garden? Why not? It might be fun.

Many of our new suburbs and cul-de-sac estates are so relentlessly dull that a bit of cheering up is surely in order. Why shouldn't your neighbour have a fibreglass shark crashing through his roof; why can't the people over the fence build an extension in the guise of a miniature Taj Mahal? If Frank Gehry can get away with the gloriously outrageous forms of the Bilbao Guggenheim, why shouldn't Mr and Mrs Jones at No 94 erect a pint-sized replica of Norman Foster's Gherkin as a granny annexe in their patch of garden?

Inevitably, there are also drawbacks to allowing local people to decide on local planning issues. The question of heritage is an obvious one, although there is no reason to doubt that conservation areas will stay just that, and that in the future it will be just as difficult to add a new chimney pot to your Grade II*-listed house as to win permission to stick a stainless steel killer whale through the thatched roof of your venerable timber-framed cottage. No, the real problems might come when neighbours have axes to grind with one another. Or, when the local consensus is to ensure that absolutely no development whatsoever gets the green light.

Call me an optimist, but I have a feeling that if people find ways of sitting around together and talking intelligently through local planning proposals, something good might come out of this latest government initiative. Planning matters do require mature discussion, so perhaps this is one sensible way of getting people together to work through local initiatives and, yes, to play a part in a wider society, to think of others' needs and desires as well as their own.

My concern is less that local communities lack the will to compromise over building matters, but that we lack the expertise to do so. We need to learn a lot more, collectively, about architecture, design, planning and conservation before we can be sure that we are talking sensibly, generously and imaginatively. If only these subjects, or areas of interest, were taught at school.

There is no question that our planning system needs to be overhauled. To make it work effectively, it would be good to have a new breed of small, purposeful local authority architect and planning offices replacing what we have at the moment. These offices could act as guides to local neighbourhoods ensuring local people were as well-informed as they might be before taking decisions that could have a major impact on their homes and where they live.

There is a long way to go before our planning system begins to work as well as it should, and a shift to local control must be accompanied by a commitment to raise the standards of architectural and planning debate at both national and local level. A few more sharks, or other shocks, along the way, though, will be just fine, so long that is, as your neighbours are happy to swim in the same artistic waters as you.

Loyalist. · December 8th, 2010, 11:47 AM

There's an article on BDonline about a new 21-storey building to built in the City and which English Heritage are threatening to call in for a public inquiry!

delores · December 8th, 2010, 12:04 PM

It's a rather bland KPF office building but I'm not sure what they are planning to demolish that EH are upset about.

Loyalist. · December 8th, 2010, 12:15 PM

English Heritage should be abolished.

Can someone start a thread on this new building? here's the link:
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/kpf-r...010023.article

DarJoLe · December 8th, 2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delores

It's a rather bland KPF office building but I'm not sure what they are planning to demolish that EH are upset about.

There's a small row of four Georgian properties, all very grim and in desperate need of refurbishment. This proposal calls for the demolition of two in return for retention and refurbishment of the other two. It's a fair compromise as well as opening up space around the block to other similar aged properties plus a small church.

As demonstrated EH have no intention of turning a blind eye to sending projects to public inquiries even in the face of extreme budget cuts.

Here is the latest CABE review:

http://www.cabe.org.uk/design-review/one-crown-place-2

london lad · December 8th, 2010, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loyalist.

English Heritage should be abolished.

Can someone start a thread on this new building? here's the link:
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/kpf-r...010023.article

Theres already a thread on it. Looks like it has also had the usual pointless cut a few floors off as now its 21 floors.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1018005

potto · December 8th, 2010, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

Spice up the suburbs with the help of the localism bill
Jonathan Glancey
guardian.co.uk
Tuesday 7 December 2010 14.07 GMT

good article. My concerns exactly about throwing planning to the shark infested waters of localism. There also needs to be a concensus on the wider needs of society such as housing availability, quality and environmental concerns. This wider framework into which localism needs to fit is currently a void ready to be filled by the well organised packs of rabid petty squables, ignorance and selfish protectionism that has haunted us many times before.

london lad · December 9th, 2010, 01:40 PM

Chipperfield lays into Adam's Athlone House plans
bdonline.co.uk
9 December 2010 | By Will Hurst

One of Britain’s most famous architects has waded into the row over one of its most controversial private housing projects.

David Chipperfield has revealed his opposition to a proposal by Robert Adam for a palatial multi-million pound house on the fringes of Hampstead Heath for Kuwaiti billionaire and owner Nasser al-Kharafi and his developer Athlone House Limited.

The scheme - which is set to go to planning inquiry next year following opposition by residents and Camden Council -would also result in the demolition of the existing property on the site, the Victorian Athlone House.

Chipperfield, who designed 30 luxury flats on the site for the previous developer, Joey Esfandi, which were later delivered by Hamiltons, said his scheme was only allowed on the strict condition that the ‘Jacobethan’ style Athlone House was preserved and refurbished.

“Residents would be quite right to say they had been hoodwinked,” Chipperfield told BD. “They were told when they supported [my] development that it was on the basis that it would secure the future of Athlone House.

“The premise was always that Athlone House would stay as a house and that these luxury flats would be built in the grounds. But as soon as we won planning, we were fired by the developer.”

Chipperfield added that the residents and the council should insist that the planning condition of retaining Athlone House remains.

Senior planner at Camden Council Jeremy Howell said the local authority agreed.

“That is very much the council’s view,” he said. “The basic position of the legal agreement is that the developer must maintain the building and carry out repairs and, broadly, it has.

“However, it is also required to refurbish the building and convert it into a large family house, something they’ve argued against.”

Last month, MP for neighbouring Hornsey & Wood Green, Lynne Featherstone, also spoke of her opposition to the new scheme in a blog on her website.

“In 2005 planning permission was granted to construct new flats in the grounds of Athlone House,” she wrote. “In exchange, the developer agreed to maintain and restore Athlone House within three and a half years… but Athlone House has not been maintained and restored.”

delores · December 13th, 2010, 09:59 PM

now NOHO's been passed to Sheppard Robson. I hope it's good I don't have much faith though considering their past efforts at residential, I'm expecting a random clad building, just a hunch.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/uk/sh...010360.article

RedArkady · December 14th, 2010, 06:38 PM

Is there a discussion or thread anywhere about the redevelopment of Westminster Magistrates Court on Horseferry Road? Two designs have planning permission, one modernist one classical. Both look good to me, though the latter is stunning and suits the area better in my opinion.

Planning refs for Westminster's website:
Classical: 09/06111/FULL
Modernist: 09/06354/FULL

delores · December 14th, 2010, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedArkady

Is there a discussion or thread anywhere about the redevelopment of Westminster Magistrates Court on Horseferry Road? Two designs have planning permission, one modernist one classical. Both look good to me, though the latter is stunning and suits the area better in my opinion.

Planning refs for Westminster's website:
Classical: 09/06111/FULL
Modernist: 09/06354/FULL

do you have a proper link?

delores · December 14th, 2010, 09:05 PM

looks like 123 Victoria street is being refurbished , pity it's not being demolished.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/work-...010416.article

Rational Plan · December 14th, 2010, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delores

do you have a proper link?

http://idocs.westminster.gov.uk:8080...=09/06111/FULL

http://idocs.westminster.gov.uk:8080...=09/06354/FULL

Both are better than a lot of block of flats, but neither are exceptional. I actually think the classical scheme handles the rear of the building better the modern one. Both are big square block of flats but look like typical London Mansion blocks, except those flats are small.

delores · December 14th, 2010, 10:29 PM

I think I have seen these before, prefer the classical the other one just looks very run of the mill.

***ill tonkso*** · December 15th, 2010, 12:18 AM

I had a look through and I like the Classical one. It is exactly the sort of thing that London needs more of.

chrissus83 · December 15th, 2010, 12:42 PM

From www.bdonline.co.uk

Barratt London and housing association L&Q have teamed up to build a £100 million residential tower in Alie Street, Aldgate, designed by RMA Architects.

The 27-storey building will contain 235 new homes and sit beside a smaller seven-storey commercial block.

Alastair Baird, regional managing director of Barratt London, said: “The development on Alie Street is a particularly exciting project, as it is one of a limited number of residential towers in the City of London and a record height for a Barratt East London development.”

Part of the Aldgate Masterplan, the 0.25 ha site falls within the City Fringe Opportunity Area.

Work is expected to start on site in January subject to planning permission. It is due for completion in December 2013.

woodgnome · December 15th, 2010, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrissus83

From www.bdonline.co.uk

Barratt London and housing association L&Q have teamed up to build a £100 million residential tower in Alie Street, Aldgate, designed by RMA Architects.

The 27-storey building will contain 235 new homes and sit beside a smaller seven-storey commercial block.

Alastair Baird, regional managing director of Barratt London, said: “The development on Alie Street is a particularly exciting project, as it is one of a limited number of residential towers in the City of London and a record height for a Barratt East London development.”

Part of the Aldgate Masterplan, the 0.25 ha site falls within the City Fringe Opportunity Area.

Work is expected to start on site in January subject to planning permission. It is due for completion in December 2013.

Confirming gothicform's supposition.

December 8th, 2010, 11:42 AM	#104
DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,674 Likes (Received): 397	Spice up the suburbs with the help of the localism bill Jonathan Glancey guardian.co.uk Tuesday 7 December 2010 14.07 GMT Dull cul-de-sacs may benefit from local people making planning decisions. But such power requires education too The Headington shark Localism bill … 'Will we see a school of shark roofs in Oxfordshire? Might someone in Yorkshire add an extension in the guise of a giant batter pudding?' Photograph: Alamy In 1986, Bill Heine, a local radio presenter, stuck a giant fibreglass shark through the roof of his 19th-century terraced house in Headington, Oxfordshire. Designed by the artist John Buckley, the 25ft sculpture caused as much fuss locally as the great white shark in Jaws had done in cinemas around the world a decade earlier. The local authority wanted it removed – to a swimming pool. But residents – although there was a lively debate – came to like the audacity of the shark at No 2 New High Street, and became its champions. The issue was taken up at government level. Finally, in 1992, the Tory government decreed that "any system of local [planning] control must make some small space for the dynamic, the unexpected, the downright quirky." The shark had been reprieved. Local residents had won the day. Bill Heine still lives in the house and the shark, getting a bit long in its several rows of teeth, has since been restored. I wonder what might happen to such houses and streets up and down the country now that the government has announced that homeowners in England and Wales will be able to build extensions, extra storeys and conservatories without the need for traditional planning permission? Will we see a school of shark roofs in Oxfordshire? Might someone in Yorkshire want to add an extension in the guise of a giant batter pudding? Will there be attics shaped like bottles of Newcastle Brown in Washington New Town? Could entire suburbs end up looking like scenes from Dr Seuss drawings, or from images drawn from Noddy, Mon Oncle, Mad Max or In the Night Garden? Why not? It might be fun. Many of our new suburbs and cul-de-sac estates are so relentlessly dull that a bit of cheering up is surely in order. Why shouldn't your neighbour have a fibreglass shark crashing through his roof; why can't the people over the fence build an extension in the guise of a miniature Taj Mahal? If Frank Gehry can get away with the gloriously outrageous forms of the Bilbao Guggenheim, why shouldn't Mr and Mrs Jones at No 94 erect a pint-sized replica of Norman Foster's Gherkin as a granny annexe in their patch of garden? Inevitably, there are also drawbacks to allowing local people to decide on local planning issues. The question of heritage is an obvious one, although there is no reason to doubt that conservation areas will stay just that, and that in the future it will be just as difficult to add a new chimney pot to your Grade II*-listed house as to win permission to stick a stainless steel killer whale through the thatched roof of your venerable timber-framed cottage. No, the real problems might come when neighbours have axes to grind with one another. Or, when the local consensus is to ensure that absolutely no development whatsoever gets the green light. Call me an optimist, but I have a feeling that if people find ways of sitting around together and talking intelligently through local planning proposals, something good might come out of this latest government initiative. Planning matters do require mature discussion, so perhaps this is one sensible way of getting people together to work through local initiatives and, yes, to play a part in a wider society, to think of others' needs and desires as well as their own. My concern is less that local communities lack the will to compromise over building matters, but that we lack the expertise to do so. We need to learn a lot more, collectively, about architecture, design, planning and conservation before we can be sure that we are talking sensibly, generously and imaginatively. If only these subjects, or areas of interest, were taught at school. There is no question that our planning system needs to be overhauled. To make it work effectively, it would be good to have a new breed of small, purposeful local authority architect and planning offices replacing what we have at the moment. These offices could act as guides to local neighbourhoods ensuring local people were as well-informed as they might be before taking decisions that could have a major impact on their homes and where they live. There is a long way to go before our planning system begins to work as well as it should, and a shift to local control must be accompanied by a commitment to raise the standards of architectural and planning debate at both national and local level. A few more sharks, or other shocks, along the way, though, will be just fine, so long that is, as your neighbours are happy to swim in the same artistic waters as you. __________________ "I can quite confidently and with pride say that if everything goes to plan London 2012 will be the best Olympic Games and will surpass Barcelona and Sydney in terms of atmosphere, style and achievement. And not just about the sport. The whole city and its people will come alive and want to be a part of this. It just feels right." DarJoLe, May 19th 2006.

December 15th, 2010, 12:18 AM	#118
*ill tonkso* Portsmouths Finest, Maybe Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 14,136 Likes (Received): 218	I had a look through and I like the Classical one. It is exactly the sort of thing that London needs more of. __________________ Official Skyscrapercity 'Support the Shard at London Bridge' Facebook Group! Ill-Tonkso.co.uk - My Portfolio Website

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December 7th, 2010, 11:05 PM	#101
kerouac1848 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NW London Posts: 2,256 Likes (Received): 68	Yep. One good thing is at least these are the roads Tfl controls rather than the boroughs. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa...-route-map.pdf A London version of a 'Big Dig' is, however, I think beyond the vision of Boris or pretty much any current politician looking to lead London in the near future. Maybe it will come from a policy unit (bureaucracy in action) as so many of these ideas actually do.

December 8th, 2010, 12:03 AM	#102
JGG LONDON - Westminster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,841 Likes (Received): 0	Impressive pictures of Madrid. I think for London it would already be an enormous achievement if it could get its roads to the standards of the "before pictures" of Madrid. The North Circular looks third world compared to these "before pictures" of Madrid.

December 8th, 2010, 11:47 AM	#105
Loyalist. Let's modernise Britain Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 388 Likes (Received): 0	There's an article on BDonline about a new 21-storey building to built in the City and which English Heritage are threatening to call in for a public inquiry!

December 8th, 2010, 12:04 PM	#106
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,568 Likes (Received): 25	It's a rather bland KPF office building but I'm not sure what they are planning to demolish that EH are upset about.

December 8th, 2010, 12:15 PM	#107
Loyalist. Let's modernise Britain Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 388 Likes (Received): 0	English Heritage should be abolished. Can someone start a thread on this new building? here's the link: http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/kpf-r...010023.article

December 9th, 2010, 01:40 PM	#111
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,155 Likes (Received): 45	Chipperfield lays into Adam's Athlone House plans bdonline.co.uk 9 December 2010 \| By Will Hurst One of Britain’s most famous architects has waded into the row over one of its most controversial private housing projects. David Chipperfield has revealed his opposition to a proposal by Robert Adam for a palatial multi-million pound house on the fringes of Hampstead Heath for Kuwaiti billionaire and owner Nasser al-Kharafi and his developer Athlone House Limited. The scheme - which is set to go to planning inquiry next year following opposition by residents and Camden Council -would also result in the demolition of the existing property on the site, the Victorian Athlone House. Chipperfield, who designed 30 luxury flats on the site for the previous developer, Joey Esfandi, which were later delivered by Hamiltons, said his scheme was only allowed on the strict condition that the ‘Jacobethan’ style Athlone House was preserved and refurbished. “Residents would be quite right to say they had been hoodwinked,” Chipperfield told BD. “They were told when they supported [my] development that it was on the basis that it would secure the future of Athlone House. “The premise was always that Athlone House would stay as a house and that these luxury flats would be built in the grounds. But as soon as we won planning, we were fired by the developer.” Chipperfield added that the residents and the council should insist that the planning condition of retaining Athlone House remains. Senior planner at Camden Council Jeremy Howell said the local authority agreed. “That is very much the council’s view,” he said. “The basic position of the legal agreement is that the developer must maintain the building and carry out repairs and, broadly, it has. “However, it is also required to refurbish the building and convert it into a large family house, something they’ve argued against.” Last month, MP for neighbouring Hornsey & Wood Green, Lynne Featherstone, also spoke of her opposition to the new scheme in a blog on her website. “In 2005 planning permission was granted to construct new flats in the grounds of Athlone House,” she wrote. “In exchange, the developer agreed to maintain and restore Athlone House within three and a half years… but Athlone House has not been maintained and restored.”

December 13th, 2010, 09:59 PM	#112
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,568 Likes (Received): 25	now NOHO's been passed to Sheppard Robson. I hope it's good I don't have much faith though considering their past efforts at residential, I'm expecting a random clad building, just a hunch. http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/uk/sh...010360.article

December 14th, 2010, 06:38 PM	#113
RedArkady Viewseeker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 487 Likes (Received): 18	Is there a discussion or thread anywhere about the redevelopment of Westminster Magistrates Court on Horseferry Road? Two designs have planning permission, one modernist one classical. Both look good to me, though the latter is stunning and suits the area better in my opinion. Planning refs for Westminster's website: Classical: 09/06111/FULL Modernist: 09/06354/FULL

December 14th, 2010, 09:05 PM	#115
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,568 Likes (Received): 25	looks like 123 Victoria street is being refurbished , pity it's not being demolished. http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/work-...010416.article

December 14th, 2010, 10:29 PM	#117
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,568 Likes (Received): 25	I think I have seen these before, prefer the classical the other one just looks very run of the mill.

December 15th, 2010, 12:42 PM	#119
chrissus83 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: London Posts: 564 Likes (Received): 6	From www.bdonline.co.uk Barratt London and housing association L&Q have teamed up to build a £100 million residential tower in Alie Street, Aldgate, designed by RMA Architects. The 27-storey building will contain 235 new homes and sit beside a smaller seven-storey commercial block. Alastair Baird, regional managing director of Barratt London, said: “The development on Alie Street is a particularly exciting project, as it is one of a limited number of residential towers in the City of London and a record height for a Barratt East London development.” Part of the Aldgate Masterplan, the 0.25 ha site falls within the City Fringe Opportunity Area. Work is expected to start on site in January subject to planning permission. It is due for completion in December 2013.