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Old February 29th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #161
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Old April 8th, 2012, 06:39 AM   #171
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....the biggest historical center in Europe.....



Beautiful town - I've been there twice, but sure you've never left Genoa to see Paris, Amsterdam, London, Madrid or Roma....

Madrid? Paris? London????

Could you show me please where their historical center are?
I would love to see them.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 07:03 AM   #172
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WTF?
Are you a marxist or something?
Part of whats so great about Italy is the fact that they HAVEN'T lost their sense of traditions and culture despite increasing their standard of living.

I mean, sure, you can be rootless, ultra-modernistic, depressed and liberal like northwest Germany, the Netherlands or Scandinavia...
Or you can be catholic, traditional, proud of your culture and your heritage.

You seriously sound like either a marxist or an eastern block person un-sure of himself, only interested in what "modern life" has to offer.

Northern Italy and the countries around the alps are seriously the best part of Europe.
The mixture of traditionalism/catholic conservatism and work ethic, inovationalism and organizational skills is just staggering.


Sorry for ranting, but I cant stand people that are embarassed by their heritage and worship the god of modernism.



You're absolutely right. I totally agree with you. The northern italian way of life should become an example for us all.

Do not take Suburbanist so seriously. He's kinda blind minded and got a radical point of view.

According to him, all waterfalls should be converted into a potential hydroelectric dam to generate as much power as possible...

Rising the productivity... Increasing the labour force... That's all he cares about.

Cheers!

By the way, Genoa is a much more interesting city than most people think.
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Old April 8th, 2012, 03:23 PM   #173
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Madrid? Paris? London????

Could you show me please where their historical center are?
I would love to see them.
Madrid's historical center is probably not as old as the Genoa's one, but it's at least one of the biggest historical centers in the world, the biggest in Spain with Seville.
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As far as i know this statement that Genoa has the largest historical center is due to the fact that the geography of the city made it cheaper to build the walls in an outer position than the actual limit of the city in the time the walls were built (xvi century i guess). So that the area anclosed by the walls is larger than the real dimension of the historical urban fabric.
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No, i am sure. I said various times that in Genoa the historic center is well defined and it's just the so called "città vecchia". It's one of the very few big historic center in europe where almost every one building has signs of its medieval origin. Every old, poor looking house in the alleys has some relief, some gothic arch, some window, that shows how ancient is.
From this comes the misunderstanding: for that period i think just Venice in Europe can be so wide and preserved (but I am not sure about this, maybe there are other cities).
Anyway noone ever considers Genoese historic center as the area enclosed by the system of walls on the hills. One thing is the old town, another the walls and forts of Genoa.

there are two "urban legends" about Genoa: one about the "biggest old town"..., one about the "longest walls"..... I don't know what is true, but don't mix them.
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genoa is amazing
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Old April 10th, 2012, 11:58 PM   #178
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Madrid's historical center is probably not as old as the Genoa's one, but it's at least one of the biggest historical centers in the world, the biggest in Spain with Seville.
Come on! You spaniards built the whole city yesterday and today already got a historical center? You only fool yourself!

Madrid has been tiny and modest for the most part in its history. It became a really major city almost in the XIX century. It's historically impossible it has a big historical center.
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Old April 11th, 2012, 02:18 AM   #179
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Really? Madrid also has a big historical center since several centuries ago.


AÑO 1656 - Texeira map



AÑO 2007




from east to west = 3.74 km

from north to south = 2.50 km
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Old April 11th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #180
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Really? Madrid also has a big historical center since several centuries ago.


AÑO 1656 - Texeira map



AÑO 2007




from east to west = 3.74 km

from north to south = 2.50 km

I think you missed the point here.

Maps doesn't prove anything. I can show you a map of the City in London made before the great fire and one from afterwards and you'll realize the outline remained almost the same. Some streets were widened, but the original streets lines didn't change at all. What really changed were the buildings.

The same happens to Madrid. Actually, most of thoses buildings shown on the map above are not from the XVII century, as you're trying to imply, but from the XIX period. Therefore, the much claimed Spain's biggest historical center, in reality, is not so storical.

My point is: a little more than a hundred years old center is not enough yet to be called storical, especially taking into account the european standards.

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