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Old November 17th, 2010, 07:59 PM   #21
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i like how you have a lot of shots of people in this thread. thats kind of unusual for you but it adds so much more depth to the thread. great shots.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 08:20 PM   #22
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You should do a book of photos, your pics are really evocative. I live in Toronto but love to visit Hamilton because its not so gentrified, a little gritty but also has a lot of really great architecture and good neighbourhoods. Yes, it is rundown in comparison to other Canadian cities but not as bad as Buffalo in the US just a few miles away.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 08:10 AM   #23
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A rustbelt city like no other

I wonder: Why hasn't Toronto a positive influence on this city? They are almost twin cities isn't it?
I wouldn't quite say that. The cities are about an hour drive apart and GO Transit doesn't have all day train service to Hamilton due to track issues.
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Old November 21st, 2010, 02:39 AM   #24
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This is a side of Hamilton I've never seen before. Were most of the "gritty" shots taken on the east side, close to the Steel Mills?

But, as far as a slum/ghetto is concerned, this isn't as bad as some areas of Detroit or Buffalo.

You know, if some people with sense of community could just take pride in this city and forget about the Steel Mills and industrial sectors, and look at how nice the west area is and the character and uniqueness the east side shares, this has the potential to be a very nice city. It's one reason I call Hamilton "The Pittsburgh of Canada".
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Old November 21st, 2010, 03:39 AM   #25
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Sad to see a city in such a decline.
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i never knew that Canada have places like these, i thought only the US have them
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If I hadn't seen the title I could've sworn this was Detroit
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Old November 21st, 2010, 11:59 PM   #28
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great shots for its candidness.
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Old November 25th, 2010, 07:03 PM   #29
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This is a side of Hamilton I've never seen before. Were most of the "gritty" shots taken on the east side, close to the Steel Mills?

But, as far as a slum/ghetto is concerned, this isn't as bad as some areas of Detroit or Buffalo.

You know, if some people with sense of community could just take pride in this city and forget about the Steel Mills and industrial sectors, and look at how nice the west area is and the character and uniqueness the east side shares, this has the potential to be a very nice city. It's one reason I call Hamilton "The Pittsburgh of Canada".

This is mostly to the north and east of downtown where there is a high concentration of poverty and severe decline due to the loss of industry over the years.
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Old November 25th, 2010, 07:33 PM   #30
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i never knew that Canada have places like these, i thought only the US have them
Hamilton has a mix of income levels, but overall is definitely a blue collar city with unemployment problems. It has its gritty parts, but make no mistake about it, Hamilton is not a slum, and is not an unsafe place like live in. I think people may be jumping to conclusions that are not entirely correct.

As usual, Flar, outstanding photos!!
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Old November 25th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #31
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Fantastic urban photography. I spent about half an hour driving round Hamilton while lost earlier in the year. It seemed to have quite a charm and I wished I could have spent longer there.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 04:29 AM   #32
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Wow I can't believe it! Canada is worse than places in the states and is becoming third world
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Old November 26th, 2010, 04:54 AM   #33
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Hardest? This is too easy, it's Hamilton!
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Old November 26th, 2010, 05:00 AM   #34
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Great thread. You really captured the feeling of the city quite well!

With that said, it should be noted that the city is far from a slum. The run-down neigbhourhoods are quite small compared to run-down neigbhourhoods in some other downtrodden rust-belt cities. The city does indeed have a very gritty feeling in most parts but most neigbhourhoods are comfortably middle class or above. However, yes, it is sometimes quite unsettling to see a Canadian city in such a condition.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 05:22 AM   #35
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Hamilton has a mix of income levels, but overall is definitely a blue collar city with unemployment problems. It has its gritty parts, but make no mistake about it, Hamilton is not a slum, and is not an unsafe place like live in. I think people may be jumping to conclusions that are not entirely correct.

As usual, Flar, outstanding photos!!
Almost all cities have shady neighborhood. Nothing to be made a big deal out of.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:46 AM   #36
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Almost all cities have shady neighborhood. Nothing to be made a big deal out of.
Exactly. Anytime someone does a photo thread of Vancouver's Downtown Eastside, which is actually a very small area, people spout off about how they're shocked to see such conditions in Canada. Give your head a shake people! Poverty exists everywhere.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 06:55 AM   #37
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Old November 26th, 2010, 07:34 AM   #38
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Thread title is just plain wrong.

I'm not really sure how to respond to this thread. While I agree that the pictures are very well done and are far better than anything that I would be able to produce; I take exception to people thinking they in anyway capture the city. Flar definately does have a gift with the camera, but unfortunately singled out a small section of a large city by which to make their judgement. That particular stretch of King St. is a disgrace, but by no means representative of Hamilton. How do one or two bad neighbourhoods negate the 30 to 40 great ones that surround them?

According to StatsCan, in October of 2010, the CMA's of Hamilton and Toronto had unemployment rates of 7.4% and 9.3% respectively. Were we to use these numbers as an explanation for the seedier side shown in these pictures, then I wonder what we'd find in Toronto; away from the glitzy downtown? I challenge everyone out there to take a trip into their city's underbelly, and measure its bruises against Hamilton's. I'm looking at you Vancouver... Winnipeg... Saint John... Sydney...


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Old November 26th, 2010, 07:45 AM   #39
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To be fair, though, Flar has captured ALL parts of Hamilton, from the posh and historical areas (and yes, they exist) to the rundown working sections. This thread is just one of many of his fantastic endeavours! I do think, perhaps, that some people like Ale might be having a case of OVI (Overly Vivid Imagination), as Hamilton is no where near to being "third world", or a "slum", and could only be described as such by one who has seen neither.
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Old November 26th, 2010, 08:09 AM   #40
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Greetings from Toronto: I love, love, love Hamilton. It's got great bones, great topography, great history, and wonderful down to earth people. Sure Hamilton has seen better days, but it will bounce back. Hamilton just needs some time, money, and attention.

I love spending time in the Hammer. Hamilton's a real city, not like those plastic places springing up on the outskirts of some cities. This city has character, and you can't buy that.
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