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Old May 26th, 2010, 04:27 AM   #1
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SAN DIEGO - New Chargers Stadium (62,000)


The Chargers unveil a designer’s rendition of a new downtown stadium and gave an update on the city’s progress.
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By Christopher Smith, Chargers.com
Posted May 20, 2010
SAN DIEGO – Plans to finance a new stadium in downtown San Diego may hinge on a June 22 vote by the city council, Chargers Special Counsel to the President Mark Fabiani said.
Fabiani spoke at a town hall forum Wednesday night at the Ironworkers Union Hall to discuss the latest developments in the Chargers’ attempt to secure a Super Bowl-quality facility. The town hall was sponsored by the San Diego Stadium Coalition community group (sdstadium.org).
The city council will vote June 22 to approve or reject a study that would examine the viability of extending the redevelopment spending cap for the Centre City Development Corporation (CCDC).
The CCDC will soon reach its allocated limit for downtown development funds. The proposed study, to be funded by the CCDC, will examine whether a new stadium and the potential for surrounding upshots of retail, business and housing would create a bigger pot and the county would come out ahead.
“If we can’t get enthusiastic support for the study, that sends a message that the cap will never get extended,” Fabiani said. “You need that basic, bedrock support from the City.
“We don’t want to be obnoxious about it. We don’t want to start raining phone calls down upon people, but at the same time, if you care about this, you (the public) should weigh in.”
The Chargers also released the first rendition of a proposed $800 million downtown stadium during the town hall-style meeting.
The 10-acre site is near 17th Street and Imperial Avenue.
Fabiani discussed funding options and the political landscape in detail and fielded questions and comments at the San Diego Stadium Coalition’s largest public meeting.
The Chargers already have looked for creative ways to secure funding and hope the process continues to move forward, he said, delving into some of the specific plans. He said the financing “is not something that’s simple to understand. It’s not something you can put on a postcard. It’s going to take a lot of work to explain (to the public).”
Government support would lend credibility to the team’s arguments, he said, and while the team’s political position never has been stronger, the economy needs to improve for a project this large to become realistic.
“If you think big, there’s a way to do this,” Fabiani said at the close of the discussion. “If you don’t, there’s probably not.”
Having visited stadium locations around the league, he became impressed with the amount of growth such a facility has spawned in downtown areas across the country. Projects such as Staples Center in Los Angeles, or the Gaslamp Quarter and Petco Park in San Diego, wouldn’t exist without funds allocated for downtown development, he added.
Fabiani also talked about the domino affect of land and facilities that could affect the Sports Arena and even brought up the stadium as a potential host of the 2018 or 2022 World Cup Final Game, for which the United States has bid. A new stadium also could help facilitate the addition of an NBA and NHL franchise in San Diego, he said.
Fabiani added that football fans can rest assured the organization is working hard to maintain a good relationship with citizens in Southern California and bring them a cutting-edge facility to watch games.
“(President and Chief Executive Officer) Dean Spanos and his family have done everything possible over the last eight years to keep the team here,” Fabiani said.
“We’re still working at it. People need to know that we’re still working at it, but that the effort can’t go on forever. There are only so many sites. There are only so many options. And at some point, you run out of options. We’re closer to the end of the process than we are to the beginning, but we’re hoping that the downtown site is going to work out for us.”

Lets hope this happens!

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Old May 27th, 2010, 12:17 AM   #3
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There planning for somewhere around 62,000; just found that out today.
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Old May 27th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #4
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Looks a little bigger than that. Love the location, lots of potential for growth in the immediate surroundings. Can't wait to see some detailed drawings and serious renderings.
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Old May 27th, 2010, 02:52 AM   #5
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Looks a little bigger than that.
few endzone seats
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Old May 27th, 2010, 05:37 AM   #6
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Sort of, its showing two decks in the ends, albeit smaller. But three levels wrapping the corner and the sidelines look deep. It certainly doesn't look any smaller than LP Field or Gillette ect.
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Old May 27th, 2010, 06:12 AM   #7
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Sort of, its showing two decks in the ends, albeit smaller. But three levels wrapping the corner and the sidelines look deep. It certainly doesn't look any smaller than LP Field or Gillette ect.
This is a test I like to use when a stadium looks bigger than it actually is:

Imagine cutting the upper decks in half and sticking what you cut off in locations that dont have as many seats- in this case its the endzones.

Then imagine what it would look like. To me it could definitely be similar to Gillette or LP.
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Old May 30th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #8
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this is definitely my favorite proposed nfl stadium right now, it looks huge but i wish they would have gone 4 tier all they was around or at least on 3 sides of the stadium but love the design
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Old June 14th, 2010, 07:51 AM   #9
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OpEd piece from voiceofsandiego.org
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Chargers Stadium: Waiting Won't Change a Thing

Posted: Monday, June 7, 2010 11:58 am | Updated:1:37 pm, Wed Jun 9, 2010.
by Katheryn Rhodes

Nov. 6, 2012 will be the first date the NFL Chargers plan on putting a new downtown San Diego stadium proposition on the ballot. Based on the Chargers planned timeline, a new downtown stadium would be built by the city by 2016 or 2017.

Waiting until a 2012 vote will not change any San Diegan’s mind if the Chargers should get a public subsidy of $500,000,000 taxpayer dollars while thousands of homeless sleep on the sidewalk near the East Village site, especially when you analyze the Chargers great financial situation.

The Forbes magazine article of September 2, 2009 placed a value on all the NFL teams and their owners includes the following yearly financial analysis for the Chargers organization and the Spanos family:
  • The Chargers organization worth increased to $917 million in 2009, compared to $70 million when Mr. Spanos bought the team in 1984. Mr. Spanos’ family, based in Stockton, California, has a net worth estimated at $1 billion, making the Spanos’ the 701 richest billionaires in the world.
  • Yearly revenue for the Chargers is $224 million dollars, with expenses of $127 million for players’ payroll, a balance of $55 million in gate receipts, and $41.6 million in operating income.
The $41.6 million balance makes the Chargers rank 9th of the 32 NFL teams in yearly net income.
We do not want to wait until 2012 to have this civic discussion. We are trying to get a new multi-purpose Chargers stadium on the ballot for this November 2, 2010, but we first have to pass the City Council Rules Committee hearing on June 16, 2010.
Our proposed ballot language reads:
"Advisory Vote Only. Shall the City of San Diego create a Joint Powers Authority (JPA) with the rest of the County of San Diego region to discuss financing options for obtaining public funding to build a new Multi-Purpose Stadium capable of hosting a NFL Super Bowl; with the JPA, Stadium Operators, and the NFL Chargers financially responsible for the yearly debt service payment for the cost of the stadium structure and operating costs, and limiting City of San Diego CCDC Redevelopment Agency funds to paying the yearly debt service for the costs of preparing the underlying land?”
There are many good reasons to have a vote in 2010 compared to 2012.
The first is that a new stadium could be built by the centennial of the 1915 Panama-California Exposition in Balboa Park. And, construction workers need jobs now because federal stimulus financing for public projects may run out of money.
Second, the Metropolitan Transit District (MTS) bus maintenance yard could be relocated to the soon to be closed Midway Post Office before the site is sold to out of state developers.
Then, there are the pitfalls where San Diego voters always end out as chumps. As a city we seem to fall for the bait and switch, legal loopholes written into the law, sophisticated promises of benefits that never materialize, etc.
Call us naïve, but San Diegans have grown up in the last few years.
We just might be able to have a new publically owned multi-purpose stadium and event center without going broke or getting suckered. This could happen by spreading the financial risks to the whole San Diego County region, instead of just the poor city of San Diego taxpayers, and having a solid agreement that the public understands.
Can the idea move forward? Can taxpayers ever get a good deal? We will find out at the June 16, 2010 Rules Committee hearing.
-- KATHERYN RHODES

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Old June 15th, 2010, 06:54 AM   #10
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62,000 is way to small, especially if they are going to want to host super bowls
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Two huge stand and two small stand look silly
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Old June 15th, 2010, 11:56 AM   #12
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That render looks too large for 62K (unless there's something wacky about the near-sideline that we can't see). LP field in Nashville doesn't appear as large on the sidelines, or endzones, and it still holds 69K.



If true, going from 71K to 62K is gonna be tough on a bunch of fans.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 03:07 PM   #13
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Looks quite nice, but how can they justify reducing the capacity by that much?
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Old June 15th, 2010, 05:26 PM   #14
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Agreed. 62,000 is too small for the Chargers. Their average last season was 67,543.
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Then what on earth are they thinking?
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Old June 15th, 2010, 06:29 PM   #16
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The design will be expandable for special events like the Super Bowl. Reduced seating capacity is a trend for mid-market football stadiums due to the desire by clubs to avoid blacked-out broadcasts and supported by the rich NFL TV contracts and revenue-sharing. The saved space also allows for roomier seats, added luxury boxes and restrooms and concessions.
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I'm not too fond of the giant tiers (or the San Diego Chargers I guess!). I feel like the Chargers are the most likely team to fill that void in Los Angeles as well...
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They are trying to create scarcity so they can charge more for tickets, same thing is occurring in the rest of the league, in MLB as well.
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Some good news about the Bolts possible new diggs..

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Stadium proposals gaining ground
S.D. study funding, Bay Area vote key

By Matthew T. Hall, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Qualcomm Stadium. Candlestick Park. Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum.

These have been the homes of California’s three National Football League teams for 40 years or more, among the oldest stadiums in the country.

Now their days may be numbered.

The San Diego City Council unanimously set aside $500,000 on Tuesday night to study downtown’s redevelopment future, a study that could make public money available for a new Chargers stadium near Petco Park within two years.

Two weeks ago, Santa Clara voters approved spending $114 million of public money to help build the San Francisco 49ers a $937 million stadium that team officials hope to occupy by 2014.

The deal allows the 49ers to bring a second team into the new venue the same way the New York Jets and Giants will share a new stadium beginning this season.

That kind of teamwork between the two Bay Area teams is something the NFL has encouraged, but the teams themselves are showing few signs of embracing the idea.

Oakland executives, whose lease is up in 2013, said after the Santa Clara vote that they preferred to build their own stadium on the site of their current one.

Yet in this economy, with construction financing difficult and the NFL fund to get stadiums built depleted, planning a stadium is as far from breaking ground as the hapless Detroit Lions are from the Super Bowl.

Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani, who has spearheaded the team’s stadium search since 2002, called Tuesday’s San Diego City Council vote pivotal.

He called the “yes” vote a necessary step forward, but said a “no” vote would have been “a pretty clear message” — essentially a door closed in the Chargers’ face.

After years of looking elsewhere, Fabiani and Mayor Jerry Sanders support a 10-acre site downtown, bounded by 14th, 16th and K streets and Imperial Avenue. The stadium is estimated to cost up to $800 million, excluding the costs of finding a new home for a bus yard on site and cleaning up contamination once estimated to top $100 million.

The project may appear on a public ballot in 2012.

In an indication of how much money might flow through a ballot campaign in San Diego, the 49ers spent about $4 million in support of the Santa Clara stadium deal.

Top 49ers brass said construction could begin in 2012 and the stadium could host its first game in the 2014 season. But the move is far from certain because the team faces several hurdles, most significantly financing and the team’s record on such projects. In 1997, the 49ers won voter support for a deal that never materialized.

Sanders, Centre City Development Corp. Chairman Fred Maas and council members Todd Gloria and Donna Frye all made the point that Tuesday’s vote had no direct bearing on the Chargers’ search for a new stadium. The council approved a study of whether downtown meets the criteria for an extension of its redevelopment plans.

Mayoral aide Phil Roth noted, “The study you’re approving today could enable you 12 to 18 months from now to add a financial tool to your capabilities. That tool could be used to finance all sorts of different projects, hundreds of miles of sidewalks, all affordable housing, a stadium, a zoo, whatever you would like to do.”

As a result of Tuesday’s vote, a series of consultants will be paid about $500,000 to study what blight remains downtown in a first step toward securing the approvals to spend more money — largely in the form of property tax revenues spurred by redevelopment.

That would make more money available for a range of projects, as Roth suggested, from sidewalks to stadiums.

Elsewhere, billionaire Ed Roski Jr. is still trying to return professional football to the Los Angeles area.

Last year, he secured all the approvals to build an $800 million stadium in City of Industry and indicated he might pursue the Chargers, 49ers, Raiders, St. Louis Rams, Buffalo Bills, Jacksonville Jaguars or Minnesota Vikings.

In January, a Roski executive said the focus would be the Jaguars and Bills, but both teams have since expressed desires to stay where they are.

Now comes word that Roski has hired veteran public relations consultant Ben Porritt, spokesman for John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign. The move comes as Roski’s stadium plan faces stiff regional competition.

Tim Leiweke, president and CEO of AEG, which owns the Staples Center, where the Lakers and Clippers play professional basketball, began discussing building a $1 billion NFL stadium next door in April.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 08:44 AM   #20
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Here's my question:

Will a new stadium also be home to San Diego State University's football team?
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