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Old July 27th, 2016, 09:44 PM   #1
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LOS ANGELES - New Clippers Arena



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Clippers owner Steve Ballmer has begun to explore potential sites for a new Clippers arena, multiple NBA sources said.

The Clippers would neither confirm nor deny they are actively searching for a location, but one NBA source said that an area that piques the franchise's interest is Los Angeles' west side.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 09:51 PM   #2
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I don't know how to post YouTube videos yet, so this meme picture will have to do:

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Old July 27th, 2016, 09:53 PM   #3
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Old July 27th, 2016, 10:25 PM   #5
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Though I think that Simpsons clip would've been applicable anytime after "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!" Ballmer bought the clips

ETA: strange though, that was non alcoholic champagne...

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Old July 27th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #6
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So, this is interesting news!! Begs the question though, where and what exactly do Ballmer and the Clippers envision as their new home? The fact of the matter is that LA already has two state of the art arenas in the Staples Center and the Forum, and both arenas are anchors of present and future entertainment districts (L.A. Live downtown for Staples and the Hollywood Park Rams Stadium development in Inglewood). Outside of those places, where exactly on the west side does Ballmer see the Clippers arena going? I guess I could see Carson if they want to shore up the OC, but otherwise it's hard to picture a single location that is screaming out for an arena on the west side. And even if he does find a site he likes, I hope he's ready for the mother of all NIMBY fights. The folks who live west of the 405 and north of the 10 are pretty well off and love nothing more than to fight off a big honking' developer plan.

ETA: So apparently according to the article the Clippers have looked at six possible locations in SoCal, and a commenter has pointed out that the Clippers practice facility is in Playa Vista. Wouldn't surprise me if the Clippers try to build in Playa Vista near Loyola Marymount, and then try to set themselves up as the team for the burgeoning tech sector in "Silicon Beach". That would especially make sense given Ballmer's ties to the tech sector. If successful that would set up an interesting dichotomy I think. The Lakers in Staples Center would be the team of the "traditional" L.A., i.e. the L.A. of show business, Hollywood and Glitz. The Clippers would become the team of the "new" L.A., the team of tech startups, innovation and paradigm disrupting (to use some buzzwords)
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:26 PM   #7
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There's literally no room on the west side. One option could be the industrial areas in Playa Vista between Ballona Creek and Jefferson, but the land isn't currently vacant and likely would need to involve several owners to piece enough land together. Playa Vista NIMBYs would likely try to fight it too. Any part of Santa Monica (even the industrial Expo-adjacent areas) is out of the question due to NIMBYs. But if he truly wants to be on the west side, and not the South Bay, then El Segundo seems to be his best bet.

Frankly, I would stay out of the west side altogether and just redevelop the Long Beach Arena site.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:28 PM   #8
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It's all about revenue and available dates. The Clippers were latecomers to Staples Center which was conceived as a building for the Lakers and Kings. It was widely thought that the Clippers would ultimately end up at what's now known as Toyota Center in Anaheim. Instead they signed a six year lease that has since been extended a couple of times. I'm not sure if terms were renegotiated, but per the original agreement the Clippers received ticket and suite revenue from their games only, plus they faced disadvantageous scheduling. The Lakers had priority for scheduling games on Fridays and Sundays. The Kings had priority for scheduling games on Thursdays and Saturdays. The Clippers had to fit in their games wherever possible, including working around concerts, entertainment events, and other sporting events.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:45 PM   #9
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When does the Clippers lease expire at the Staples Center?
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Old July 27th, 2016, 11:57 PM   #10
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Anywhere west of Fairfax...it's not happening. Culver City or in the South Bay...maybe.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 12:18 AM   #11
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So I did a little bit of google maps "sleuthing" and this was the best plot of land I saw for a Clippers Arena:



It's in Playa Vista between LMU, the Marina Fwy, Lincoln Blvd. and Centinela. As Far as I could tell there are no major projects on it, and it's plenty enough space to build a basketball only arena, as well as even some ancillary real estate development.

However, there is still the NIMBY problem mentioned. And not just NIMBYs, AEG and Madison Square Garden Company won't be too welcoming to a new arena either and I'm sure the Clippers will have to fight these two companies in court as well.
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Sorry man! That parcel of land is occupied by IMAX and Google. Wouldn't be enough parking anyway. Only place to build in Playa would be north of Jefferson. Even then, extremely unlikely.
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Oh Bummer! Oh well, Google can't own all of Playa Vista!
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Old July 28th, 2016, 12:34 AM   #14
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The Forum isn't really setup to be a top flight sports arena anymore. While they have done an extensive renovation, they didn't rework the bowl at all to have the mid level suites and club seats that are a requirement in this day in age. Its more of a concert/boxing venue at this point where being on the floor or in the stands is more desirable.

I tend to be wary of 1 team, 1 arena type deals, but if there's a city that's big enough to book enough events to make a solo tenant arena pencil out, its LA. It might be fun to think about them going in on an arena with the Ducks to give LA its own Knicks/Rangers vs Nets/Islanders rivalry, but I think the Ducks aren't ready to leave their cushy deal with the Honda Center quite yet. Maybe by 2024, the OC will be where its at and we'll see a new arena where the old Pond once stood?
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Old July 28th, 2016, 01:22 AM   #15
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The Forum isn't really setup to be a top flight sports arena anymore. While they have done an extensive renovation, they didn't rework the bowl at all to have the mid level suites and club seats that are a requirement in this day in age. Its more of a concert/boxing venue at this point where being on the floor or in the stands is more desirable.

I tend to be wary of 1 team, 1 arena type deals, but if there's a city that's big enough to book enough events to make a solo tenant arena pencil out, its LA. It might be fun to think about them going in on an arena with the Ducks to give LA its own Knicks/Rangers vs Nets/Islanders rivalry, but I think the Ducks aren't ready to leave their cushy deal with the Honda Center quite yet. Maybe by 2024, the OC will be where its at and we'll see a new arena where the old Pond once stood?
Yeah fair enough point re: the Forum. I was mostly think in economic terms for a new arena, if there was a market for it. The fact is that the Forum and the Staples Center have a sort of uneasy alliance right now. The Forum is the "concert" arena for medium to large sized acts, and the Staples Center is the "sports" arena with its three teams, as well as concerts for large sized acts. If the Clippers build a new arena, you'd have a third competitor in the venue space in Southern California. And as big as the market is, are there enough events in LA to justify three modern 16,000+ seat arenas (four if you count the Honda Center, and SIX if you count USC/UCLA)?
That being said, that question relies on the idea that Steve Ballmer would look for this new arena to turn a profit outside of basketball. I think he sees the Clippers as a sort of vanity project, and if a basketball specific arena can break even with just 40-50 basketball dates a year, and suite/club/naming rights revenue, that might be enough for him to justify building.
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Ha, just posted about this in the LA Projects thread, wish I'd seen it here first. I agree with the general sentiment that finding a true Westside arena site is going to be a monstrous task.

The Playa Vista idea seems relatively credible, although access isn't great and the NIMBY resistance will be huge.

I think there are potential sites around LAX/Howard Hughes center -- i.e. one of the massive parking lots/structures in the flightpath that would incur minimal NIMBYism.

Depending on how you stretch your definition of the "Westside," there are a number of industrial sites in Hawthorne and the inland parts of the South Bay, which would still allow Ballmer to avail himself of the Silicon Beach/tech bro culture. But if you're stretching your definition, it does make you wonder about the Forum. Not sure it will cut it as a 21st century NBA arena, but maybe after another $500 Million.

Anywhere in the core of the Westside gets insanely tricky, but I do wonder about a couple of currently questionable developments that seem ripe to be taken over: 1) the 30-story tower at La Cienega/Jefferson currently under massive fire, and 2) the seemingly stalled skyscraper at Constellation/Ave of the Stars on top of the new Century City Purple Line stop.
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When does the Clippers lease expire at the Staples Center?
As of now their lease runs through June 2024. They last signed a ten year deal in 2013 that will run through the 2023-2024 NBA season:

http://www.nba.com/clippers/news/cli...s-center-lease

So it sounds like the Clippers would move into their new arena in 2024.

Oh gee, hmm, I wonder what OTHER sporting events may be taking place in LA in the summer of 2024 that may enjoy using a brand new state of the art basketball arena?? ...
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Ha, just posted about this in the LA Projects thread, wish I'd seen it here first. I agree with the general sentiment that finding a true Westside arena site is going to be a monstrous task.

The Playa Vista idea seems relatively credible, although access isn't great and the NIMBY resistance will be huge.

I think there are potential sites around LAX/Howard Hughes center -- i.e. one of the massive parking lots/structures in the flightpath that would incur minimal NIMBYism.

Depending on how you stretch your definition of the "Westside," there are a number of industrial sites in Hawthorne and the inland parts of the South Bay, which would still allow Ballmer to avail himself of the Silicon Beach/tech bro culture. But if you're stretching your definition, it does make you wonder about the Forum. Not sure it will cut it as a 21st century NBA arena, but maybe after another $500 Million.

Anywhere in the core of the Westside gets insanely tricky, but I do wonder about a couple of currently questionable developments that seem ripe to be taken over: 1) the 30-story tower at La Cienega/Jefferson currently under massive fire, and 2) the seemingly stalled skyscraper at Constellation/Ave of the Stars on top of the new Century City Purple Line stop.
Yeah good point about the access. Honestly the more I think about it the more I think an arena in Playa Vista would be kind of a disaster. Can you imagine 15,000 cars all taking Jefferson over 40 nights a year? I don't even live there and I feel NIMBY rage at the project just thinking about it.

The Century City site is a cool idea. It'd be a tight fit but you could make it work, and sitting on top of a subway stop would make it one of the most transit friendly venues in town. And CC does have quite a bit of parking. However, I think Ballmer is pretty set on the westside and as long as he is west of the 405 he'll be happy. I think he'll probably end up in El Segundo like Slipperydog said, or somewhere in the South Bay east of Manhattan Beach and Redondo Beach.
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However, I think Ballmer is pretty set on the westside and as long as he is west of the 405 he'll be happy. I think he'll probably end up in El Segundo like Slipperydog said, or somewhere in the South Bay east of Manhattan Beach and Redondo Beach.
Oh man, if Ballmer considers West of the 405 the extent of the Westside, then he's going to have a lot of trouble. By my own definition, everything West of Fairfax or La Cienega would be considered the Westside, but of course everyone has their own definition -- which is partly why it's so hard for me at least to pin down where he might be looking.
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Oh man, if Ballmer considers West of the 405 the extent of the Westside, then he's going to have a lot of trouble. By my own definition, everything West of Fairfax or La Cienega would be considered the Westside, but of course everyone has their own definition -- which is partly why it's so hard for me at least to pin down where he might be looking.
LMAO at anyone who thinks the 405 is the extent of the west side. Where is "Westside Pavilion" again? Or "Westwood"?

I literally don't know one person who doesn't consider BH and Culver City to be the west side.
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