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[Axelferis]

Originally Posted by duma187

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Please could you tell me if in winter period roofed arenas are warmed?

I remember few years ago the first final with New england patriots was in a stadium rebnovated (an old fabric) in a city in the nort east i think and it was in winter but conditions indoor leads people to wear simple t shirt...

Am i wrong?

[soup or man]

Originally Posted by duma187

Anyway, I think the only teams that will really work here are the Raiders, Rams, or Chargers... teams that have already established fan bases in LA. Anyone else would just be the Clippers of the NFL. People would come to games but who would really care?

The same could be said about the Detroit Lions. They have sucked for years and yet people still go out and support them.

[en1044]

Originally Posted by soup or man

The same could be said about the Detroit Lions. They have sucked for years and yet people still go out and support them.

Any city that has it's local NFL team blacked out more than once a season shows poor support IMO. Heck, even once is really bad.

[carnifex2005]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

Please could you tell me if in winter period roofed arenas are warmed?

I remember few years ago the first final with New england patriots was in a stadium rebnovated (an old fabric) in a city in the nort east i think and it was in winter but conditions indoor leads people to wear simple t shirt...

Am i wrong?

No. It's comfortably warm inside domes (I've never been in a cold one).

[Axelferis]

Originally Posted by carnifex2005

No. It's comfortably warm inside domes (I've never been in a cold one).

how they do? which system because here in europe it's not the case

Is it costly?

[aavmarine]

Originally Posted by duma187

that makes no sense because their old stadium the RCA dome had a fabric roof and it held up just fine. the architects made a mistake with Lucas Oil i believe.

Anyway, I think the only teams that will really work here are the Raiders, Rams, or Chargers... teams that have already established fan bases in LA. Anyone else would just be the Clippers of the NFL. People would come to games but who would really care?

But honestly, I dont think that matters to AEG. They only want this stadium for the rights to host superbowls, final fours, and world cups, and concerts. an nfl team to them is just secondary, but its a way to sell the stadium to the government and the public.

Actually, the old RCA dome was a double layer fabric roof with supporting brackets between them. You can see the holes in this picture which lead to the 2nd layer. The whole dome was highly pressurized. They had to keep the fans on 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. When you left after a game you were shot out of the place, like a slingshot. When a team or player was entering the field level, coming on or off, there was a double door system. One door could only be open at a time. One door would open, you go into the space, door closes, and then the other door would open. The temp inside was kept at an average of 72 degrees. No colder, no hotter...It was very, very loud in the place, but was also very outdated. A couple years earlier they had spent millions renovating it, making it smaller (57,300 seats), putting all the sports writer up at the top, putting better seats in for the wealthy. But it was still outdated 8 years later.

[Jericho-79]

I've been wondering about something, guys.

What are the chances of the NFL expanding to Los Angeles, and giving the city of LA a newly created team?

[The Dead End Kid]

Originally Posted by Jericho-79

I've been wondering about something, guys.

What are the chances of the NFL expanding to Los Angeles, and giving the city of LA a newly created team?

Very low. The NFL has stated that they would prefer to remain at 32 teams, so a future Los Angeles team will only come through relocation of an established team.

[pesto]

Raiders were blacked out in the Bay Area again this weekend. But I'm guessing that the Chargers are going to sell out the rest of the year now that they are in their undefeatable mode.

[KingmanIII]

Originally Posted by The Dead End Kid

Very low. The NFL has stated that they would prefer to remain at 32 teams, so a future Los Angeles team will only come through relocation of an established team.

Expansion makes too much sense.

With 34 teams, you could eliminate the divisional format and play a 16-game round-robin.

[Topher51]

Originally Posted by KingmanIII

Expansion makes too much sense.

With 34 teams, you could eliminate the divisional format and play a 16-game round-robin.

I doubt that will happen. A lot of the division rivalries date back far past the merger and the home and home series with each of those teams is one of the really special things about the NFL.

[ryebreadraz]

Originally Posted by KingmanIII

Expansion makes too much sense.

With 34 teams, you could eliminate the divisional format and play a 16-game round-robin.

The NFL doesn't want that. They don't want to have to tell all the of the teams in the NFC that they won't ever see Tom Brady or Peyton Manning play. Also, expansion would require splitting the pie two more ways.

[KingmanIII]

Originally Posted by Topher51

I doubt that will happen. A lot of the division rivalries date back far past the merger and the home and home series with each of those teams is one of the really special things about the NFL.

As a college fan, I'm not big on home-and-homes.

Bragging rights for the entire year is one of the best things about a rivalry, IMO.

[Franchise646]

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2010/1...wn_stadium.php

On November 3rd, AEG sent requests for proposals for its proposed downtown football stadium to nine architecture firms, reports Sporting News, which has a copy of the document sent out. Additionally, SN talked to AEG's Tim Leiweke. And so we get some more crumbs of information about their plans. What about parking, you ask? According to Sporting News, Leiweke doesn't believe parking will be a problem "because 32,000 spaces sit within a 15-minute walk of the proposed stadium site, which is now occupied by the West Hall of the Los Angeles Convention Center." Additionally, AEG, which reportedly has a partner in Wasserman Media Group CEO Casey Wasserman on this project, has studied the recently built New Meadowlands Stadium and Cowboys Stadium, and was very influenced by the latter project. "Its plan to build 40 field-level suites, preferably along the sidelines, came from Cowboys Stadium’s 48 event-level suites." At the same time, this project would be smaller than the Cowboys Stadium, which is about 3 million square feet (Leiweke is talking about doing a 1.75 million square foot stadium. Helping AEG is the fact that the developer doesn't have to build an entertainment zone, due to the existence of LA Live.) AEG has a total budget of $1 billion for the stadium, and as is the trend, will push the luxury seating element of the project: The stadium would have 160 traditional suites and 18 larger event rental skyboxes with 48 to 90 seats. And according to Sporting News, architects have until Dec. 3 to submit their proposals on the stadium.

Wonder which firm is going to get it. They want to make it like Cowboys Stadium so I would think HKS would win it, and maybe for the time being we should call it AEG Stadium.

[KingmanIII]

Originally Posted by ryebreadraz

The NFL doesn't want that. They don't want to have to tell all the of the teams in the NFC that they won't ever see Tom Brady or Peyton Manning play. Also, expansion would require splitting the pie two more ways.

But everyone would get to see Drew Brees, Michael Vick, Adrian Peterson, etc..

There's also still the preseason.

Expansion, IMO, means baking a larger pie, not splitting a smaller one.

[ryebreadraz]

Originally Posted by KingmanIII

But everyone would get to see Drew Brees, Michael Vick, Adrian Peterson, etc..

There's also still the preseason.

Expansion, IMO, means baking a larger pie, not splitting a smaller one.

They already see Brees, Vick, Peterson, etc. and preseason doesn't draw flies as is. Add in that there will likely be only one preseason home game a year before long and that's not so comforting. The NFL isn't about to tell fans you only get to see half of the league ever and with a 18 game schedule, the scheduling your proposing wouldn't work either.

Expansion is splitting the same pie, as evidenced by flattening revenues and all projecting indicating that the NFL has nearly maxed out their market share. The only point of expansion would be expanding the market, which is also a possibility if they leave the US for that expansion team.

[KingmanIII]

Originally Posted by ryebreadraz

They already see Brees, Vick, Peterson, etc. and preseason doesn't draw flies as is. Add in that there will likely be only one preseason home game a year before long and that's not so comforting. The NFL isn't about to tell fans you only get to see half of the league ever and with a 18 game schedule, the scheduling your proposing wouldn't work either.

Expansion is splitting the same pie, as evidenced by flattening revenues and all projecting indicating that the NFL has nearly maxed out their market share. The only point of expansion would be expanding the market, which is also a possibility if they leave the US for that expansion team.

The 18-game idea is dumb. The NFL season is long enough as it is now.

I'm also totally unconvinced the U.S. market share is maxed out. Look at the turnout for Saints games in San Antonio on one- or two-weeks' notice after Katrina. About $150 mil or so in renovations, I firmly believe, would transform the Alamodome into a viable NFL venue.

[Franchise646]

Well there are two days till AEG gets the stadium designs they commissioned, form the 9 firms. I Don't know how long we would to wait for some leaks.

[dfwabel]

Well WC 2022 goes to Qatar. What's next?

[pesto]

I'm not a huge fan of a DT stadium but World Cup doesn't cut much either way. It's likely the main games would have been in NY and DC since LA got them last time. 20 other cities would have wanted games, so we are probably talking about 2 or 3 games at most, perhaps between medium quality teams (Korea, Mexico, Japan seem likely).

The stadium proposal lives or dies on football and conventions.