Are there any US cities similar to NYC in the ? - Page 2

lucky_luciano · November 10th, 2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Northsider

This is why I'm confused. I don't know what he means by "urban"...really, Chicago is pretty damn urban and very similar to NYC's cityscape, especially in the outer boroughs.

I didn't mean to say that Chicago isn't urban,
in fact i think Chicago could be the closest you can get to NYC.
I was trying to say that a lot of cities are too suburbanish.
My "European" view of urban is different.
I'm trying to figure out what the American view is.
My native language isn't English, altho' my English is pretty good,
it's a bit harder to state what i'm trying to say.

lucky_luciano · November 10th, 2010, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChitownCity

If you're referring to the fact that a lot of 2-3 flats have small front yards (pending on the neighborhood) then sure. but that's a problem with our zoning code. other than that there's still the L train, alleys, cta, and well built avenues (pending on neighborhood) so even though weakest neighborhoods still have good urban qualities

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And a lot of detached houses, i'm not saying that those neighborhoods don't have urban qualities but they wouldn't consider the buildings urban where i live.

Northsider · November 10th, 2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky_luciano

And a lot of detached houses, i'm not saying that those neighborhoods don't have urban qualities but they wouldn't consider the buildings urban where i live.

Ahh, I see what you mean. Sure, there's lots of detached housing in Chicago, but also in NYC and every other US city.

ChitownCity · November 10th, 2010, 06:51 PM

^ Of course not in Europe

But I wouldn't say that the actual homes aren't urban even by European standards. All you gotta do is throw a slab of concrete over all the grass patches

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Northsider · November 10th, 2010, 07:44 PM

I think Pullman is the only neighborhood I've never been to. Is it worth the trek down there chitown?

lucky_luciano · November 10th, 2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChitownCity

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(All photos courtesy of me and the Chicago thread)

It's different but i actually like it.
The buildings are really diverse.

diablo234 · November 11th, 2010, 08:12 AM

If you are looking for an urban enviroment that has alot of rowhomes then Pittsburgh would have what you are looking for.

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ChitownCity · November 11th, 2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Northsider

I think Pullman is the only neighborhood I've never been to. Is it worth the trek down there chitown?

Well everytime I ride through it I always see a giant group of mostly older white tourists taking a tour through the neighborhood with a tour guide. Obviously the area is in need of investment but I'd say its worth the trip if you're interested in a little bit of Chicago History

(I'm planning on starting a southside photo thread of all southside neighborhoods in a few weeks as soon as the majority of these damn leaves go away...)

ChitownCity · November 11th, 2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by diablo234

If you are looking for an urban enviroment that has alot of rowhomes then Pittsburgh would have what you are looking for.

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We have a good amount of rowhomes too

They just don't dominate a large swath of the city like in eastcoast cities (because of some silly fire accident that caused zoning officials make it permenant that houses attain a certain distance between them in order to make sure whole blocks of homes never burn down.) It looks like there is less of a concern of fire today though as there are more actual rowhomes getting built in the city (maybe one day the whole green code making each home have to have a front yard will be completely disregarded... or maybe not since going green is the new trend)

Northsider · November 11th, 2010, 02:53 PM

I see a bunch of them here and there, but never whole blocks or neighborhoods.

Pittsburgh is a great city, but it's nowhere near the "holy shit" factor you get with huge cities like NYC and Chicago. The density is 1/2 of what Chicago's is. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a pretty city and very urban in the "east coast style", but I wouldn't point anyone there if they want to see a similar city to NY.

ChitownCity · November 11th, 2010, 05:25 PM

^ There's whole blocks dominated by rowhomes in the obvious woodlawn (of course most got destroyed), Lincoln Park and other northside neighborhoods, Pullman, and Lawndale. I was thinking of the new rowhomes getting developed in little Italy

But Luciano here , here and here is a look at what the average southside neighborhood looks like (of course there is huge diversity in every neighborhood but these can be seen in virtually every neighborhood which makes a good portion of our urban cloth on the southside if you're interested

ChitownCity · November 11th, 2010, 05:31 PM

I'm tired of chicago dominating the discussion. You can also see Boston and Philly for European/Eastcoast style urbanity...

lucky_luciano · November 11th, 2010, 08:04 PM

This is from the city where i live so you can understand why i have a different perspective on "urban" architecture.
I like both styles but this is what i'm used to.

diablo234 · November 11th, 2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lucky_luciano

This is from the city where i live so you can understand why i have a different perspective on "urban" architecture.
I like both styles but this is what i'm used to.

Then I would seriously look at Baltimore or Philadelphia then since rowhomes are fairly common in those cities.

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Originally Posted by Northsider

Pittsburgh is a great city, but it's nowhere near the "holy shit" factor you get with huge cities like NYC and Chicago. The density is 1/2 of what Chicago's is. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a pretty city and very urban in the "east coast style", but I wouldn't point anyone there if they want to see a similar city to NY.

It is still pretty dense though. The reason why the density is 1/2 of Chicago's was mostly due to the mass exodus of people leaving Pittsburgh when the steel industry collapsed back in the 80's, but the built urban form I can say still easily rivals Chicago's or many East Coast cities especially in some neighborhoods such as the Northside, Oakland, Bloomfield, etc.

Northsider · November 11th, 2010, 08:10 PM

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This is from the city where i live so you can understand why i have a different perspective on "urban" architecture.

In the first post, you asked is there are similar cities to NYC, not to your hometown.

lucky_luciano · November 11th, 2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Northsider

In the first post, you asked is there are similar cities to NYC, not to your hometown.

I know, i was just trying to show what i'm used to and why i could relate more to NY than most other cities in the US.
So i asked what other cities are similar, out of interest.
So far, Philly and Chicago seem good candidates and Baltimore too maybe (i liked Baltimore in "the wire")

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Northsider · November 11th, 2010, 08:58 PM

Well, to be honest, all of the big East Coast cities (Boston, Philly, DC-Balt) will be similar to what you like. Check out San Francisco as well on the West Coast.

You must keep in mind that urbanity in Europe vs the US is fundamentally different. Their histories and growth are too different to even be compared. Boston is hands down the most European city in the States though, but that's not saying much). Personally, I think Chicago and Philly fit the bill best in terms of sheer city size, density, and housing styles.

lucky_luciano · November 11th, 2010, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Northsider

Well, to be honest, all of the big East Coast cities (Boston, Philly, DC-Balt) will be similar to what you like. Check out San Francisco as well on the West Coast.

You must keep in mind that urbanity in Europe vs the US is fundamentally different. Their histories and growth are too different to even be compared. Boston is hands down the most European city in the States though, but that's not saying much). Personally, I think Chicago and Philly fit the bill best in terms of sheer city size, density, and housing styles.

Yeah, but i didn't know that, i'm new to this forum and don't know much about the differences between European cities and US cities.
I'm just interested in learning more about it.

Northsider · November 11th, 2010, 10:15 PM

Fair enough, enjoy!

***Animo*** · November 12th, 2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Northsider

Check out San Francisco as well on the West Coast.

Here are a few from San Francisco.

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November 10th, 2010, 06:51 PM	#24
ChitownCity Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: CGO, IL Posts: 1,353 Likes (Received): 3	^ Of course not in Europe But I wouldn't say that the actual homes aren't urban even by European standards. All you gotta do is throw a slab of concrete over all the grass patches [IMG]image hosted on flickr Pullman 2[/IMG] [IMG]image hosted on flickr Pullman[/IMG] [IMG]image hosted on flickr 0r256[/IMG] [IMG]image hosted on flickr nice lookin rowhomes II[/IMG] [IMG]image hosted on flickr p0003[/IMG] (All photos courtesy of me and the Chicago thread)

November 10th, 2010, 07:44 PM	#25
Northsider Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,562 Likes (Received): 25	I think Pullman is the only neighborhood I've never been to. Is it worth the trek down there chitown?

November 11th, 2010, 02:53 PM	#30
Northsider Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,562 Likes (Received): 25	I see a bunch of them here and there, but never whole blocks or neighborhoods. Pittsburgh is a great city, but it's nowhere near the "holy shit" factor you get with huge cities like NYC and Chicago. The density is 1/2 of what Chicago's is. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely a pretty city and very urban in the "east coast style", but I wouldn't point anyone there if they want to see a similar city to NY.

November 11th, 2010, 05:25 PM	#31
ChitownCity Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: CGO, IL Posts: 1,353 Likes (Received): 3	^ There's whole blocks dominated by rowhomes in the obvious woodlawn (of course most got destroyed), Lincoln Park and other northside neighborhoods, Pullman, and Lawndale. I was thinking of the new rowhomes getting developed in little Italy But Luciano here , here and here is a look at what the average southside neighborhood looks like (of course there is huge diversity in every neighborhood but these can be seen in virtually every neighborhood which makes a good portion of our urban cloth on the southside if you're interested

November 11th, 2010, 05:31 PM	#32
ChitownCity Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Location: CGO, IL Posts: 1,353 Likes (Received): 3	I'm tired of chicago dominating the discussion. You can also see Boston and Philly for European/Eastcoast style urbanity...

November 11th, 2010, 08:04 PM	#33
lucky_luciano Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Antwerp Posts: 28 Likes (Received): 0	This is from the city where i live so you can understand why i have a different perspective on "urban" architecture. I like both styles but this is what i'm used to.

November 11th, 2010, 08:58 PM	#37
Northsider Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,562 Likes (Received): 25	Well, to be honest, all of the big East Coast cities (Boston, Philly, DC-Balt) will be similar to what you like. Check out San Francisco as well on the West Coast. You must keep in mind that urbanity in Europe vs the US is fundamentally different. Their histories and growth are too different to even be compared. Boston is hands down the most European city in the States though, but that's not saying much). Personally, I think Chicago and Philly fit the bill best in terms of sheer city size, density, and housing styles.

November 11th, 2010, 10:15 PM	#39
Northsider Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,562 Likes (Received): 25	Fair enough, enjoy!