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Old November 19th, 2007, 03:34 PM   #241
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Old November 19th, 2007, 03:37 PM   #242
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China is not a good comparison for construction costs. Labour is cheap and planning is easy.
I'd have to agree strongly on this one. $60-90M/km is what I've heard for other estimates in the west and Japan (60 for Germany, 90 for Japan's Linimo).
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Old November 19th, 2007, 03:51 PM   #243
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the Iraq war costed the US some estimated 1600 billion $.

800 billion $ officially and senate approved, and furhter 800 billion $ of costs, that came out of the rising oil price and all other unexpected consequences.

Taking the price for the Shanghai maglev of 25mio$ per kilometer, you would get 32 000 km of 500kmh maglev line for 800 billion $
With that ammount of maglev lines you would be abe to criss cross all of northern america, even the smallest vilage in Montana could get a maglev access....

Sure, but everything seems cheap compared to the cost of war. And a maglev will not appeal as a first priority to many people. There is health-care, education, environment that can more easily get a huge chunk of the money and maybe more reasonably so. Last but not least the excess expenditures to cover war-costs may never happen again after the end of it. The country and taxpayers need a relief. Not paying and paying for ever.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 06:10 PM   #244
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Old November 19th, 2007, 06:18 PM   #245
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Sure, but everything seems cheap compared to the cost of war. And a maglev will not appeal as a first priority to many people.
That is part of the problem right there: psychology. It's like when a husband spends all the family savings on a new BMW, and tells his wife afterwards. Similarly, the Iraq occupation is an unnecessary "war" where the funds could've gone to so many other places. Another problem is that infrastructure is not sexy. People would rather have taxcuts or handouts rather than construction because, by nature, the majority of people stink at grasping the big picture.

Last of all, maglev is not necessarily more expensive than conventional HSR. Operating costs are significantly lower due to the lack of mechanical wear.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 06:51 PM   #246
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Another problem is that infrastructure is not sexy. People would rather have taxcuts or handouts rather than construction because, by nature, the majority of people stink at grasping the big picture.
IMO thats the biggest problem for big infrastrucutre investements in the US ( what maglev definately is...)

But if you take a look at europe or Asia, especially at Japan, and also what is being constructed in China right now, Infrastrucutre is one of the most "sexy" things, a nation can build.

Good highways, railways, huge bridges and perfectly clean, modern and convenient subway systems are a sign of realy modern civilisation...
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Old November 20th, 2007, 09:26 AM   #247
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The official website will obviously back up their product. Currently, any maglev is overly expensive. And since they are incompatible with the rest of the network this makes them a very difficult investment. This is a network product and protocol, so compatibilty means a lot. There is huge capital invested in the current railway infrastructure and the surrounding operations. This means big political pressure as well from large and established companies (though Transrapid belongs to SIEMENS and Thyssenkrupp and that certainly helps). So, if maglev doesn't become really cost competitive it will hardly get any portion of the pie.

The Shanghai maglev, built by Transrapid, cost 1.33bil$ (so let's say ~1bill€ back then). This is over 33mill€/km. The current ridership just covers the operating cost and not capital expenditures.

And I would expect the construction costs to be really higher in Germany rather than in China.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 01:21 PM   #248
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And I would expect the construction costs to be really higher in Germany rather than in China.
It is about double based on the Munich Airport proposal.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #249
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The DfT have officially disregarded Maglev anyway, citing that the proponents of such a system underestimate the risks involved.

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The fundemental problem with this comparison is this:


For the recent Cologne - Frankfurt line, where do the trains actually go?



It connects high speed trains from Essen/Dortmund to many other places. It also connects to the French LGV Est. To provide these services minimal work is required to get the trains into the center of the cities - the lines already exist.

If Maglev wants to replace the current railway, whatever absurd facts and figures the Maglev industry come up with, it is simply 150 years too late.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 08:16 PM   #250
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I have a life, thanks for your concern. Your mistakes were so obvious and numerous that they could be spotted within a millisecond
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Why would you request an explanation of your mistakes then? You should have admitted your mistakes in the first place, not requested an explanation so that you could use the fact that someone has responded to your request for an explanation as an opportunity to diss them. That's quite sneaky.
And you poking your nose into others business is also god damn sneaky. This suggest you maybe suffer from the same disease as your freind so the question is do YOU have a life well do you punk?
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"others business" [sic], what, on a public forum? In plain view of everyone? Call me a punk again, I kinda liked it.
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Old November 21st, 2007, 05:20 PM   #252
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ive been watching the documentry on bbc yesterday the Ł800 railway project just shows how much hard work there was in this project nice station!
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Old November 27th, 2007, 02:10 PM   #253
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A small revolution has also swept across Europe's sleeper trains. Deutsche Bahn (German Railways) has successfully revamped its overnight services as "city night line", with new sleeping cars offering hotel-style accommodation as well as couchettes and reclining seats. With online sales and competitive pricing, they've made these trains viable on many longer-distance routes where even high-speed trains are unable to compete with air on journey time. Indeed, an expansion is planned for December, with sleeper trains from Germany to Prague, Copenhagen, Warsaw, Milan and Vienna extended to start in Amsterdam, plus several new routes. Spain has developed its own "trainhotel" concept, both on domestic routes such as Barcelona-Seville and international ones such as Barcelona and Madrid to Paris, and Barcelona to Milan and Zurich. The concept has proved successful, and more "trainhotel" trainsets are on order to replace the remaining classic sleeper trains.
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Old November 27th, 2007, 05:52 PM   #254
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Old November 28th, 2007, 02:01 AM   #255
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Old November 28th, 2007, 03:29 AM   #256
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Old November 28th, 2007, 02:54 PM   #257
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Hopefully the future will see direct Sleeper Trains from St Pancras to a host of European Destinations. At present you have to change at Paris or Brussels in order to take
Sleeper Trains to Italy and Southern Europe or Germany and Eastern Europe.
That would indeed be great.
I once took a sleeper train (very comfortbale, you have your own shower in the compartment) to London.
Obviously it only went to Brussels were we had to change at 6 in the morning.
Would be better if you could simply sleep through the journey.
Then again it would be difficult to realize. I could imagine that the traffic in the tunnel wont allow additional trains.
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Old November 28th, 2007, 05:01 PM   #259
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Its about graves which have been moved I guess.
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Old November 28th, 2007, 05:09 PM   #260
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