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Old November 28th, 2007, 09:31 PM   #261
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Lucky London, the new St. Pancras really looks awesome. And I love the statues!
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Old November 29th, 2007, 12:03 PM   #262
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Its about graves which have been moved I guess.
Of course it is, but was St Pancras churchyard on the original site of the station? And the graves were moved when it was originally constructed?
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Old November 29th, 2007, 12:14 PM   #263
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Finally managed to take some pictures and put them up.
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I love this statue: that's so British !
A man and a woman who almost have a kiss in the train station...a real kiss would have been too French: shoking !

But in fact, it is worst than a kiss: just look at their low bellies...
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Old November 29th, 2007, 03:16 PM   #264
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I love this statue: that's so British !
A man and a woman who almost have a kiss in the train station...a real kiss would have been too French: shoking !

But in fact, it is worst than a kiss: just look at their low bellies...
'The Meeting Place' is the work of British sculptor, Paul Day, and the couple's embrace recalls the famous scene in David Lean's classic British film, Brief Encounter.

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Old November 29th, 2007, 04:58 PM   #265
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That would indeed be great.
I once took a sleeper train (very comfortbale, you have your own shower in the compartment) to London.
Obviously it only went to Brussels were we had to change at 6 in the morning.
Would be better if you could simply sleep through the journey.
Then again it would be difficult to realize. I could imagine that the traffic in the tunnel wont allow additional trains.
That is the killer, having to change trains at 6am means getting up at daft o'clock which defeats the whole purpose.

I am sure that they could carry that train all the way through if they put their minds to it.

I'm about to book a sleeper between Frankfurt and Prague. Perfect timing in this case. Departs not from central Frankfurt, but Frankfurt Süd, which is 10minutes walking distance from where I live, at 22:19 (perfect time) and arrives after 8am in Prague.

I'm booking first class, which has a better breakfast and bathroom in the double cabin, and only €20 more than economy. All up, €220.

The cheapest flight (non budget airlines) is €100, but that's at a crap time (leaving only the evening in Prague), so the cheapest at the best time is €200. Add taxi and transport it's a bit more expensive than the sleeper. Of cause, the sleeper takes much longer in transit, but it's comfortable. We arrive in Prague first thing in the morning relaxed for a full day's sight seeing.

Sleepers are an excellent way to travel... when they leave at the right time, and don't arrive too early.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 10:07 PM   #266
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Its about graves which have been moved I guess.
It's quite awful really - in the construction of the orginal 19th century St Pancras station a graveyard was demolished. They didn't even bother to move them.

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I love this statue: that's so British !
A man and a woman who almost have a kiss in the train station...a real kiss would have been too French: shoking !
It's very British, even more so for the fact they were originally kissing but the sculptor had to revise it because it was considered too dirty for a train station!

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Then again it would be difficult to realize. I could imagine that the traffic in the tunnel wont allow additional trains.
No, this isn't true. The tunnel currently takes about eight trains an hour with a capacity for something like 20. I believe the problem lies in the ownership of the tunnel, which I believe Eurostar has a stake in, but someone else could probably clarify this.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 10:41 PM   #267
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It's very British, even more so for the fact they were originally kissing but the sculptor had to revise it because it was considered too dirty for a train station!
It's British, but you sound as if it's something to be proud of... Prudishness and bad sex education = high teenage pregnancy rates = bad parents = more chavs. The similarly prudish America (though much worse) too has this problem.
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Old November 30th, 2007, 12:10 AM   #268
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I think it's a bit pathetic. I don't see where you got that from...
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Old November 30th, 2007, 03:30 AM   #269
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I think it's a bit pathetic. I don't see where you got that from...
What specifically?
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Old November 30th, 2007, 08:24 AM   #270
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Just asking how many Euros does it cost for a one way trip between Paris and St Pancras?
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Old November 30th, 2007, 02:31 PM   #271
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Just asking how many Euros does it cost for a one way trip between Paris and St Pancras?
Depends if you book in advance or not.

Tickets start from £60 (British pounds) if you book in advance.

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http://www.eurostar.com/dynamic/_SvB...untry=UK&VT=EB
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Old November 30th, 2007, 02:42 PM   #272
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That is the killer, having to change trains at 6am means getting up at daft o'clock which defeats the whole purpose.

I am sure that they could carry that train all the way through if they put their minds to it.
Its indeed annoying.
You have to get out, change the station (atleast in Brussels) and then youll have around an hour left until the Eurostar leaves.
So youll stand in the empty station in the morning and you cant do anything really.

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I'm about to book a sleeper between Frankfurt and Prague. Perfect timing in this case. Departs not from central Frankfurt, but Frankfurt Süd, which is 10minutes walking distance from where I live, at 22:19 (perfect time) and arrives after 8am in Prague.

I'm booking first class, which has a better breakfast and bathroom in the double cabin, and only €20 more than economy. All up, €220.

The cheapest flight (non budget airlines) is €100, but that's at a crap time (leaving only the evening in Prague), so the cheapest at the best time is €200. Add taxi and transport it's a bit more expensive than the sleeper. Of cause, the sleeper takes much longer in transit, but it's comfortable. We arrive in Prague first thing in the morning relaxed for a full day's sight seeing.

Sleepers are an excellent way to travel... when they leave at the right time, and don't arrive too early.
Sounds great!
I also think that sleeper trains are a comfy way to travel.
You simply get in, read something and then youll go to sleep.
In the morning youll be waken up with the breakfast by the stewart and afterwards you take a shower and BAM! youre already there.
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Old December 1st, 2007, 01:03 AM   #273
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What specifically?
The prudishness of the statue.
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Old December 1st, 2007, 01:51 PM   #274
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I'm interested to hear that people have been on sleepers that have showers on board. I've been on the caledonian sleeper between London and Edinburgh and there were only showers in the lounges at either end of the journey but non on board as water is just to heavy to carry around on a train....
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Old December 1st, 2007, 06:40 PM   #275
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I'm interested to hear that people have been on sleepers that have showers on board. I've been on the caledonian sleeper between London and Edinburgh and there were only showers in the lounges at either end of the journey but non on board as water is just to heavy to carry around on a train....
Well I used a german sleeper train and I think we had booked 1st class back then which wasnt so much of a price difference to 2nd.
We were two people and used a double cabin.
And this one comes with its own shower cabin, two convertible beds and with breakfast included.

Heres how it looks like:

Economy class (single):




Deluxe:





I have to say that our compartment looked a bit different though.

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Old December 1st, 2007, 08:15 PM   #276
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Is that sleeper in the photo a double decker?

What happened to the "London Direct Sleeper Group" plan outlined at http://www.railwatch.org.uk/backtrac...8/rw098p10.pdf ?

That article first appeared about 4 years ago and I have never seen anything about this since. Indeed googling for "London Direct Sleeper Group" turns up nothing else.

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Old December 2nd, 2007, 01:29 PM   #277
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Is that sleeper in the photo a double decker?
yes, looks like it.
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Is that sleeper in the photo a double decker?

What happened to the "London Direct Sleeper Group" plan outlined at http://www.railwatch.org.uk/backtrac...8/rw098p10.pdf ?

That article first appeared about 4 years ago and I have never seen anything about this since. Indeed googling for "London Direct Sleeper Group" turns up nothing else.
The UK Sleeper plan was scrapped back in the 90's and the rolling stock sold to Canada. However there is now a real possibility of new sleeper services being launched from the new St Pancras.

Plans for St Pancras Sleeper from 2008/9 - http://www.railwatch.org.uk/backtrac...8/rw098p10.pdf












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The UK Sleeper plan was scrapped back in the 90's and the rolling stock sold to Canada. However there is now a real possibility of new sleeper services being launched from the new St Pancras.

Plans for St Pancras Sleeper from 2008/9 - http://www.railwatch.org.uk/backtrac...8/rw098p10.pdf



I know about the Nightstar service being scrapped. However I was asking about the service in the article you requoted. AFAIK that is the only such article and was published in 2003. When you say "there is a real possibility", do you have any other sources, because that article could just be pure fantasy?
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