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Old July 11th, 2009, 12:39 AM   #361
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blast from the past.

anyway, whats going on with the grand central chinese trains?

surely they will just get hitachi super expresses?
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Old July 11th, 2009, 01:48 PM   #362
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Ok, this is an odd idea...
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Old July 12th, 2009, 01:29 AM   #363
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AFAIK, the IEPs (Super Express) will only be for the ECML (as well as GWML, WCML South) franchise holders, not for the open-access TOCs.

Perhaps with the recession, Grand Central will be sticking with its HSTs for now, seeing how IEP plays out, and then 'tagging' an order later on. Not much has been mentioned about the 'Polaris' trains since 2007.

Of course, other events, IEP Programme, renationalisation, etc., could throw further spanners in the plans.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 03:41 PM   #364
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IEP should be for anyone who wants one. Any company who wants to upgrade their HST's.
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Old July 15th, 2009, 07:15 PM   #365
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Thameslink future rolling stock

Hello,
I heard that Alstom, Bombardier and Siemens gave their offer to the Dft for the Thameslink tender.
Do you have an idea of their respective innovations?
Do you know if Bombardier is using a classical asynchronous motor, or might they be offering their MITRAC permanent magnet motor, which would be synchronous? Where will this motor be situated? So far, the B5000 bogie doesn’t have the motor integrated, but it is under the car body instead. Will this be continued, or might they place the motor inside the bogie?
Has Alstom really offered this offset articulated bogie on the extrapolis?
Has Siemens proposed its syntegra system, which would make the train lighter?
What do you think?
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Old July 17th, 2009, 03:28 PM   #366
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The Thameslink order is for 1200 carriages, in 110 units. They will be in fixed formations of 240m or 160m length, ie twelve cars or eight cars. The very long units allow higher capacity through reduced number of cabs and disabled toilets, and are possible because there will be no need for splitting or joining in service. The 240m units will have an outer suburban configuration, and the 160m units both outer and inner suburban or metro versions.

See http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...er-issued.html for further details.


Siemens is offering a new version of their UK Desiro, called Desiro City and based on the new Scottish class 380. It will use lightweight Asyntegra bogies, but not the Syntegra gearless drive. This and other features will make it 25% lighter than the original UK Desrios. See http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...uk-market.html for full details


The Alstom bid is a new UK version of its Xtrapolis train. So far the only reavealed detail is that it will feature "bogie offset articulation", which allows a wider body and more floor space than conventional trains. According to Modern Railways, Network Rail favours an articulated design due to the advantages of reduced weight and track wear.
See http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...-revealed.html


Bombardier has produced an artist's impression of its second generation Electrostar, based on the South African Gautrain. No specific technical details have been announced, other than that it is a "low risk solution" drawing on experience with previous UK Electrostars, the German Talent 2, Paris Spacium and French AGC. Given the recent build quality and delivery delay problems facing Bombardier, I doubt they are likely to receive the Thameslink contract.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...ectrostar.html

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Old July 19th, 2009, 04:28 PM   #367
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ooh they sure look good! when will they come in?
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Old July 20th, 2009, 12:37 AM   #368
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From the Railway Gazette article Thameslink EMU invitations to tender issued:
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Thameslink procurement timescale

November 27 2008
Invitations to tender issued

April 2009
Detailed proposals submitted

End 2009
DfT selects best offer

March 2010
FCC signs contracts

Autumn 2011
Testing begins

2012
First trains enter service

2015
Deliveries complete
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Old August 15th, 2009, 08:15 PM   #369
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Old August 16th, 2009, 04:12 AM   #370
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Arnt the trains in Scotland the same as England and Wales
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Old August 16th, 2009, 04:24 AM   #372
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British trains are awesome
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Love English trains!
God that 321 in Northern livery looks awful!
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Yes. Pointless thread.
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