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Old February 27th, 2007, 12:17 AM   #21
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Network Rail didn't honour the deal and those great new trains are restricted to just 95mph and have to run on terrible tracks that aren't even electrified north of Carlisle).
The line north of Carlisle is electrified all the way to Glasgow and Edinburgh.

I agree that we need proper private railways - experience we have shows that the less say Government has the better things work.
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Old February 27th, 2007, 01:30 PM   #22
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The line north of Carlisle is electrified all the way to Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Yes I thought that was a bit of an odd thing to say!
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Old February 27th, 2007, 06:57 PM   #23
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The line north of Carlisle is electrified all the way to Glasgow and Edinburgh.

I agree that we need proper private railways - experience we have shows that the less say Government has the better things work.
Whoops, apologies, don't know where I got that from then. I was sure there's a major section of mainline railway on which the Pendolinos are supposed to run but need to be pulled by diesel locomotives a certain distance because it's not electrified... or did I dream that?!? LOL!

Anyway, that doesn't change any of my other arguments.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 12:34 PM   #24
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Whoops, apologies, don't know where I got that from then. I was sure there's a major section of mainline railway on which the Pendolinos are supposed to run but need to be pulled by diesel locomotives a certain distance because it's not electrified... or did I dream that?!? LOL!

Anyway, that doesn't change any of my other arguments.
You're thinking of the North Wales branch from Crewe to Holyhead. The loco hauled pendolinos I think are being replaced by super voyagers anyway at some point on this route.
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Old February 28th, 2007, 02:46 PM   #25
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Super voyagers? Is this a variation on the normal voyager?
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Old February 28th, 2007, 03:11 PM   #26
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Super voyagers? Is this a variation on the normal voyager?
I think the only difference is they can tilt - therefore they can operate at the same speed as pendonlinos on the wcml. Voyagers have the same ultimate top speed but have heavier speed restrictions round bends. I believe these are used on routes that the line signalling was not upgraded beyond the the scope of the track alignment (speedwise that is) where tilting would be pointless.
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Ah right I see, thanks.
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Old March 2nd, 2007, 01:45 AM   #28
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They started the clean up today. I could only find one image.

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Old March 9th, 2007, 07:00 PM   #29
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I think the only difference is they can tilt - therefore they can operate at the same speed as pendonlinos on the wcml. Voyagers have the same ultimate top speed but have heavier speed restrictions round bends. I believe these are used on routes that the line signalling was not upgraded beyond the the scope of the track alignment (speedwise that is) where tilting would be pointless.
Super Voyagers also have an extra coach - Voyager = 4 coaches, Super Voyager = 5

When i was working in Flint i saw Super Voyagers operating on the London to Hollyhead service but never saw any Diesel hauled Pendelinos. The journey time is really quick from Flint (NE Wales) to London, about 2 hours 20 minutes i think.
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Super Voyagers also have an extra coach - Voyager = 4 coaches, Super Voyager = 5

When i was working in Flint i saw Super Voyagers operating on the London to Hollyhead service but never saw any Diesel hauled Pendelinos. The journey time is really quick from Flint (NE Wales) to London, about 2 hours 20 minutes i think.
I have to admit re. loco hauled pendos, I only got that info from someone else on the forum. A hauled pendo must be so much painfully slower than a super voyager on that route with heavy restrictions every mile and a half.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:25 PM   #31
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When I was in UK past october all on weekends all Pendulinos from Scotland to London were diesel haulde in a part of the route (and routed via Manchester at full speed of 95mph(the speed of the Virgin thunderbird locos)).


Oddly enough we were left strandled for half an hour in the same place of this accident because ... "kid's sighted playing on the rail tracks".
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Old April 19th, 2007, 04:22 AM   #32
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Chinese trains to run on English railways

Apr. 17, 2007 (China Knowledge) – China will sell three high-speed trains to Grand Central, a small British train operator, marking the first time China is supplying new trains to Europe since the country adopted foreign trade and economic reforms in 1978. According to the Financial Times Monday, the three high speed-trains will be used for a new rail line between London and Sunderland.
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Old April 19th, 2007, 11:17 AM   #33
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WOW, this is unexpected.
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Old April 20th, 2007, 01:46 AM   #34
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I live 10 miles from Sunderland, this is a shock, hope it comes off and we have some different train designs here!
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Old April 20th, 2007, 02:05 AM   #35
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http://www.grandcentralrail.co.uk/news.html?id=news040

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Old April 20th, 2007, 02:54 AM   #36
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This is the closest Chinese model I can find to the diagrams above:




The "Blue Arrow" in operation on the line from Shenzhen to Guangzhou. I've been on one and they seem nice enough. From the diagram this 'Polaris' trainset doesn't look quite the same though. I wonder if it's a new design based on the blue arrow one...

Details of the 'blue arrow' train are about two thirds of the way down this page:
http://www.railwaysofchina.com/dongchezu.htm

It's clear these polaris trains are exactly the same thing though even if they're based on this design, there are some notable differences.
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Old April 20th, 2007, 02:17 PM   #37
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There at least four different companies buiding trains in China which could be the Polaris. There a forum on the CRH trains which will show them
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Old April 20th, 2007, 06:41 PM   #38
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delivery in 2010, technology will not doublt be taken from a different sources.

The Blue Arrow doesn't exactly qualify as a highspeed train, its speed will never exceed 180km/h.

however technology from the Star of China will probobley be borrowed.

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Old April 21st, 2007, 02:37 AM   #39
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delivery in 2010, technology will not doublt be taken from a different sources.

The Blue Arrow doesn't exactly qualify as a highspeed train, its speed will never exceed 180km/h.

however technology from the Star of China will probobley be borrowed.
So it's not a design that's already in service. Any info on when they'll actually start building these 'Polaris' trainsets?

If this deal proceeds and implementation and running of these trains is successful, then I imagine it'll turn out to be a massive confidence boost for Chinese train technology getting a sale in the western market.

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Old April 21st, 2007, 03:03 AM   #40
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train is probabley on the paper already, if it goes on schedule it should go into testing sometime in early to mid 2009.

For it to be delivered on schedule, I don't believe the rollout is going to be anytime after october 2008.

After the embarrement that Changchun Train Works suffered in the past two days with the CRH5, I don't think anyone in China still have the guts to put any type of hardware into service without the most extensive testing.
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