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Old October 12th, 2011, 12:42 PM   #721
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I believe the cunning plan would be to "encourage" the budget airlines to move to Stansted, leaving space at Gatwick for the combined "Heathwick" operation that has been mooted. With the airports being owned by different companies, and no incentive upon the budget airlines to move to Stansted, I really do not see how this can be made to work (unless Stalinist central control of the means of production has suddenly become popular with our Coalition Government?!).
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Old October 13th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #722
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How does the cost compare between A) Heathwick B) Third runway at Heathrow?
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Old October 13th, 2011, 07:03 PM   #723
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With the airports being owned by different companies, and no incentive upon the budget airlines to move to Stansted, I really do not see how this can be made to work (unless Stalinist central control of the means of production has suddenly become popular with our Coalition Government?!).
There is no need for Stalinist regime. Low cost carriers can easily be priced out by higher charges.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 05:26 AM   #724
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How does the cost compare between A) Heathwick B) Third runway at Heathrow?
A: £5bn
B: £9bn for the Runway alone and another £4bn for infrastructure improvements according to some estimates
C: New airport, £35-40bn
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Old October 14th, 2011, 09:12 AM   #725
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There could also be protest from people who live near the area, including the Surrey constituents of Philip Hammond, the transport minister. To minimise disruption, the trains, travelling at 180mph, would largely follow the route of the M25 motorway and could be underground for part of the way.
An interesting opportunity presents itself here if this line is build: Continue along the M25 (and the M26/M20) until you reach HS1. That way Heathrow (and Gatwick) would be linked to the European HST network, allowing more short haul flights to be replaced by trains, freeing up runway capacity.
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Old October 14th, 2011, 10:19 AM   #726
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A: £5bn
B: £9bn for the Runway alone and another £4bn for infrastructure improvements according to some estimates
C: New airport, £35-40bn
Do you have a source for this?

I have a hard time believeing that 30-40 miles of HSR would be cheaper than 2-3 miles of runway and taxiway at Heathrow
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Old October 14th, 2011, 12:02 PM   #727
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Does the $9billion include policing and legal costs?

Sopomon, it's so expensive as you are:
rebuilding the M4 Spur, with new junction on the M4 (£500m)
having to hold the biggest public enquiry ever, that will make T5's one look short and small (£1b)
demolishing a couple of villages, so need to compensate a lot of people for demolishing their houses (£1b)
building a 3 mile runway, and a lot of taxiways (that will go under/over the A4) (£3b)
building Terminal 6 between the North runway and new runway (£2b)
adding road and rail infrastructure to get to T6 (£1b)
breaking the coalition agreement and your partys' promises to voters (priceless)
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Old October 15th, 2011, 06:39 PM   #728
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Do you have a source for this?

I have a hard time believeing that 30-40 miles of HSR would be cheaper than 2-3 miles of runway and taxiway at Heathrow
Yes the £9bn price was published during the Consultation on the Runway before they decided against it. The £4bn was independent estimates of how much local roads and rail would have to be improved to support the expanded airport.
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 12:43 AM   #729
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A: £5bn
B: £9bn for the Runway alone and another £4bn for infrastructure improvements according to some estimates
C: New airport, £35-40bn
It would be worth the financial effort of a third runway.
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Old November 2nd, 2011, 01:34 AM   #730
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Watcher Zero forgot the £2 billion public enquiry (Terminal 5 cost £1 billion just for that) and £10 billion+ to deal with the backlash - Heathrow would be severely hindered for weeks with the direct action (I'm all for infrastructure - joking about going down to protest the fact that HS2 should have been built years ago by starting to dig the tunnel, despite it being really close to me - but I'd certainly join protests against a third runway), add policing costs for the riots, etc.
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Old November 3rd, 2011, 09:31 PM   #731
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It's all very complicated. The problem with Heathwick is that it could be a few billions spent in a short term solution.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 02:35 AM   #732
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High Speed 2 recognised as ‘vital capacity upgrade’

The Rail Freight Group (RFG) has welcomed the Commons Select Committee on Transport’s Tenth Report on the High Speed 2 (HS2) project.

The report recognised that HS2 is required primarily to meet the capacity needs of passengers and freight, on the West Coast Main Line in particular, and is not just an issue of connecting London and The Midlands with faster services.

The RFG previously wrote to the former Transport Minister Philip Hammond, outlining the case for HS2 being about vitally needed capacity and not speed of travel.

Tony Berkeley, RFG Chairman, said: “We very much welcome the Committee asking that the option to start from Manchester and Leeds should be investigated (rather than a South to North approach), since the congestion on existing lines is greater there.

“The Committee also asks that the links in London be looked at again.

“This connection must include a link from HS1 to HS2, which does not use a section of the North London Line as this is already very congested by London Overground and freight trains.”
http://www.rail.co/2011/11/09/high-s...acity-upgrade/
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Old November 30th, 2011, 08:22 PM   #733
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Imminent decision on HS2 ‘needs to be part of wider transport strategy’

A broad coalition of campaigning groups is launching a new report on high speed rail, setting out what ‘still needs to be done by the Government to meet its commitment to local communities and the environment’.

When the Right Lines Charter, supported by environmental, transport, heritage and legal charities with over 600 combined years of involvement in the planning of major infrastructure, was launched in April 2011, then Secretary of State for Transport Philip Hammond said that:

“These respected organisations…should be assured that the Government is already acting on their points of concern.”

Over half a year later, on the verge of the Government announcing its decision on High Speed 2 (HS2), these organisations are launching a report to set out for the benefit of the new Secretary of State, Justine Greening, what still needs to be done.

Karen Gardham, Campaign Manager for the Right Lines Charter, says:

“The two transport policies the Government is clear about are that they want high speed rail, but they do not want a third runway at Heathrow.

“We strongly support the commitment to shifting intercity transport from air and road to rail, but so far HS2 has been developed in a vacuum.

“If HS2 is to meet its environmental or economic potential, it needs to be planned properly within a long-term national transport strategy that cuts carbon.”

Besides setting out the need for such a strategy by 2014, before phase two of HS2 is formally consulted on, the report outlines how changes are needed to the way the future is forecasted and how communities are engaged in consultation on major infrastructure proposals.

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Old December 4th, 2011, 12:05 PM   #734
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I'd prefer a route that goes, from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Leeds, Birmingham (joining another part of the line from Liverpool and Manchester on one section of track instead of two branches), Heathrow, Old Oak Common, then terminus at Euston but also a proper HS connection to HS1. Siiiimple.

On Heathwick, they should completely do it. There.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 12:19 AM   #735
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I'd prefer a route that goes, from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Leeds, Birmingham (joining another part of the line from Liverpool and Manchester on one section of track instead of two branches), Heathrow, Old Oak Common, then terminus at Euston but also a proper HS connection to HS1. Siiiimple.

On Heathwick, they should completely do it. There.
Forget Heathwick, there should be a line from Birmingham International to Gatwick via Heathrow, since it costs so much to deliver expansion in the South East, get a line to give you expansion where its possible, and only 40 minutes from Heathrow! Thats the raison d'etre for HS2 anyway, nothing to do with increased capacity on WCML.
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Old January 7th, 2012, 02:36 PM   #736
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From UK section

Network Rail has performed a study of all the alternatives to building a high speed line, and found none of them to be viable. The government looks set to officially announce that HS2 will be carried forward and approved in parliament.

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Might be worth having a look at the Independent newspaper on Saturday
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Design contract awarded for HS2 rail lines

Atkins has been awarded a contract by HS2 Ltd to prepare the preliminary designs for the two high rail speed lines through the Country South section of High Speed 2 – a 91km stretch covering Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Northamptonshire.

The contract, which has been awarded under the Lot 1 Professional Services Framework covering civil and structural design services and is worth £13.3m, includes the design work for the Colne Valley Viaduct, the twin bore tunnels under The Chilterns and a range of new ‘green’ tunnels.

David Tonkin, Atkins’ UK chief executive officer said:

“HS2 is an important step towards providing the UK with the world-leading infrastructure and additional rail capacity needed to deliver sustainable economic growth.

“As well as designing a high-quality, cost efficient railway, we have to be very aware of how we minimise the impact the construction and operation of the line could have on the communities through which it will travel, and we will work closely with HS2 Ltd, rail systems designers, environmentalists and land referencing companies in order to achieve this.”

Atkins said work will start immediately and will be completed to coincide with the introduction of the HS2 hybrid bill to Parliament by the end of 2013.
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A: £5bn
B: £9bn for the Runway alone and another £4bn for infrastructure improvements according to some estimates
C: New airport, £35-40bn
I don't think a new runway would be £9 billion. I know there is a lot to be demolished but the 2nd runway at Manchester airport was only a few 100 million. I know less had to be taken down but the houses in Sipson are a lot cheaper than the houses in North East Cheshire etc
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