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Old November 4th, 2015, 05:52 PM   #941
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Hate to rehash but even if you connect HSR to classic tracks, the HSR is not going to magically fly High speed. Track alignment and signal system comprises 50% of the reason why those HS trains can manage those speeds in the first place. Once on classical lines the HS trains are going to be bogged down by the conventional traffic which will at the end hamper HSR time schedule and will see delays through out the system. The more you have interconnected traffic the more you will see delays and the only way to negate the problem is the limit the amount in interconnecting traffic meaning there will be about one every hour at best. Meaningless if you ask me.
May I suggest you take a look at the proposed pattern of service that has been published by HS2, and see how that compares with your statements. I'll give you a clue: only one category is "Meaningless if you ask me", and it's not the HS2 proposals.
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Old November 9th, 2015, 03:30 PM   #942
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In my opinion, there going about this all wrong. Instead of phasing the work over time, the phases should be studied, tendered and constructed at the same time. The upfront cost would be more but you don't run into issues such as new technology coming out and building a line that is 25 years old plus the issue of material/labour costs increasing over time making phase 3 (the eventual Scottish phase) really expensive in comparison to phases 1, 2a and 2b. The UK govt always seems to drag its heals on infrastructure projects meaning by the time it's built, it's already way out of date in comparison to mainland Europe or asia.
Also, in my opinion, DfT should've looked at other options, such as maglev, rather than just trying to play a rather expensive game of catch up.
The British Government (and to an extent people) have a history of doing this. Look at almost any infrastructure in the country and it's always been a never ending game of catch up. I think it seems to come largely from the inability for groups to reach compromises in a lot of situations, resulting in years of going around in circles with a useless plan (look at heathrow) getting rejected left, right, top, and bottom by someone, somewhere.

IMO what they should have done was completely re-build the current WCML route, maybe with a new London-B'ham route. This would have been somewhat more disruptive to current ops, but the advantage in cost of land acquisition would be huge. Making a 5 track link to B'ham and a 4 to Manchester/Liverpool and a 3 track (2HS+1standard) to Glasgow/Edinburgh would enable transitioning to faster speeds for IC ops, but not create huge extra expense on the connection of a completely new line to the existing network.
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Old November 14th, 2015, 03:07 PM   #943
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Does anybody know where I could find a .shp .kml or .gpx file of HS1 to down load?
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Old November 14th, 2015, 04:50 PM   #944
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The British Government (and to an extent people) have a history of doing this. Look at almost any infrastructure in the country and it's always been a never ending game of catch up. I think it seems to come largely from the inability for groups to reach compromises in a lot of situations, resulting in years of going around in circles with a useless plan (look at heathrow) getting rejected left, right, top, and bottom by someone, somewhere.

IMO what they should have done was completely re-build the current WCML route, maybe with a new London-B'ham route. This would have been somewhat more disruptive to current ops, but the advantage in cost of land acquisition would be huge. Making a 5 track link to B'ham and a 4 to Manchester/Liverpool and a 3 track (2HS+1standard) to Glasgow/Edinburgh would enable transitioning to faster speeds for IC ops, but not create huge extra expense on the connection of a completely new line to the existing network.
Maglev was considered, and ruled out at an early stage, because of its fundamental incompatibility with the rest of the network. If all you ever wanted to do was link London with Birmingham, then it might have been the best solution, but since the benefits are most widely spread by offering through services (to Manchester, Liverpool, Scotland) via HS2 from the outset, the penalty for changing trains en route negated the benefits.

Rebuilding the WCML has already been done once, and a right old fiasco it was too. Since then traffic has grown considerably, and it would be impossible to repeat the task. Building new lines alongside the old ones simply wouldn't work - you end up diverging slightly to one side every time you come to a station, then wipe out a town centre instead. Building an entirely new line through open countryside is a lot less challenging.

The jury is still out as to whether there will ever be HS links through to Scotland. On the WCML there is very little in the way of habitation between Lancaster and Motherwell, apart from Carlisle. That's about 170 miles with some big lumpy hills, some important Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty, and no major centres of population. It's a piece of railway I know well, and love, but there's no room for sentiment in such decisions. It is probably unaffordable - but politicians have a knack of surprising us sometimes, so I'm keeping an open mind on this one.
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Old November 14th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #945
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Does anybody know where I could find a .shp .kml or .gpx file of HS1 to down load?
Here :-) http://bfy.tw/2mzm
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Old November 14th, 2015, 06:10 PM   #946
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sadly hs2 =/= hs1

And i have tried google
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Old November 15th, 2015, 09:52 AM   #947
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sadly hs2 =/= hs1

And i have tried google
Since HS1 is an active line, you can make your own KML file by tracing it on Google My Maps and downloading the resultant file. It shouldn't take more than 10-20 mins to do (I've done it before).
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Old November 17th, 2015, 06:35 PM   #948
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Un designer bâlois est l'un des trois finalistes de la compétition britannique du design des trains de demain. Il a séduit le jury avec son Swiss Aeroliner 3000.

The Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rcrowding.html

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Old November 30th, 2015, 04:57 PM   #949
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HS2 to reach Crewe by 2027
Monday, November 30, 2015



BRITAIN's chancellor of the exchequer Mr George Osborne confirmed on November 30 that the opening of the 69km Lichfield - Crewe section of High Speed 2 (HS2) will be brought forward by six years to extend the benefits of the new line to north-west England and Scotland sooner than originally planned

The decision means Phase 2a will open in 2027 just a year after the initial 190km phase from 1 from London to Birmingham and a junction with the West Coast Main Line (WCML) near Lichfield in 2026. In order to accelerate construction, Phase 2a works will be authorised by parliament under a separate hybrid bill

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Contractors shortlisted for HS2 enabling works
10 Dec 2015



UK: On December 10 project delivery company HS2 Ltd announced the contractors shortlisted to carry out enabling works on the London – Birmingham Phase 1 of High Speed 2. An invitation to tender is expected early next year, with contracts worth £900m to be awarded later in 2016.

‘Today’s shortlist marks an important milestone as we move towards the start of construction in 2017 and a real boost for the UK construction industry. Over the course of the next few years, the winning bidders will go on to employ thousands of people on site and in the supply chain, preparing the ground for the start of major civil engineering’, said HS2 Ltd Chief Executive Simon Kirby

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Final High-Speed 2 report published
Wednesday, February 24, 2016



THE British House of Commons Select Committee on the High-Speed 2 (HS2) Hybrid Bill has published its final report. The bill will now go forward for further consideration in the House of Parliament and then the House of Lords

The committee heard 1600 petitions from objectors and those concerned with the construction of the first phase of the railway from London to Birmingham and recommended a longer tunnel in the Chiltern hills north of London, better noise mitigation in some locations and revisions to the planned maintenance depot at Washwood Heath, Birmingham

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Governments to work together on Scottish high-speed rail plan
21 MAR, 2016



The simultaneous publication of reports by Transport Scotland and HS2 Limited on high-speed rail options for Scotland was marked during a ceremony at Edinburgh Waverley station today (March 21).

The event was attended by Keith Brown, the Scottish Government’s Infrastructure Secretary, and Robert Goodwill, UK minister with responsibility for high-speed rail

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HS2 appoints phase one engineering consultants
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HIGH Speed Two Ltd (HS2), which is responsible for implementing Britain's second high-speed line, has appointed a team of consultants to act as its engineering delivery partner for the 190km phase one linking London with Birmingham and Lichfield

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It's an interesting pair of reports. I'd argue, however, that the Scotland side of things is lacking. The report by HS2 comes up with some fantastic options. Hope to see this progress.
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Old May 3rd, 2016, 08:57 PM   #955
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Number of high-speed passenger



Passengers in Eurostar HS trains (millions)
1994:
1995: 2,920
1996: 4,995
1997: 6,004
1998: 6,308
1999: 6,593
2000: 7,130
2001: 6,947
2002: 6,603
2003: 6,315
2004: 7,277
2005: 7,454
2006: 7,858
2007: 8,261
2008: 9,113
2009: 9,220
2010: 9,529
2011: 9,680
2012: 9,912
2013: 10,133
2014: 10,398
2015: 10,399
TOTAL: 163,050

Source: http://www.eurotunnelgroup.com/uk/eu...affic-figures/

Passengers in Javelin (Southeastern) HS trains (millions)
2010: 7,200
2011: 8,200
2012: 9,000
2013: 10,000
2014: 12,410
2015:
TOTAL: 46,810

Source: 2010: http://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk...-Peh1RP7A_RWA/ 2011: http://njak100.blogspot.com.es/2012/...d-railway.html 2014: http://www.railjournal.com/index.php...igh-speed.html

Passengers-kilometers in Eurostar HS trains (billions)
1994:
1995: 0,362
1996: 0,619
1997: 0,745
1998: 0,782
1999: 0,818
2000: 0,884
2001: 0,861
2002: 0,819
2003: 0,783
2004: 1,193
2005: 1,223
2006: 1,289
2007: 1,355
2008: 1,495
2009: 1,512
2010: 1,563
2011: 1,587
2012: 1,626
2013: 1,662
2014: 1,705
2015: 1,705
TOTAL: 24,588

Source: the UIC has the Passengers-km to the end, including the European part to Paris and Brussels: 4,364 (2011). However, the personal table only takes into account the path of the Eurotunnel and the part of the HS1 in service every year, as the European part is included in their countries.

Passengers-kilometers in Javelin (Southeastern) HS trains (billions)
2010 0,540
2011 0,615
2012 0,675
2013 0,750
2014 0,931

The Passengers-km of the Javelin trains are personal deducted from the data of Passengers; it only serves as a approach.

Passengers and Passengers-kilometers world data, and explanation of the fact that the operators and the UIC count -in some cases- the number of passengers on high-speed trains, not on high-speed lines.
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Acela influences Alstom’s HS2 concept train
25 May 2016


The external design of the concept train is intended to reflect the 'large yet graceful' characteristics of a swan

INTERNATIONAL: Alstom unveiled a high speed train concept design at a parliamentary reception in London on May 24. The double-deck trainset features short wheelbase power cars and 20 m long intermediate trailer cars, reflecting the company’s emerging thinking about the future of the Duplex family of high speed trains which it has supplied to French national operator SNCF over the last 20 years.

The event in London was intended to showcase ‘one possible option’ for rolling stock which would operate services on the future High Speed 2 network linking London with the West Midlands and northern England. Project delivery company HS2 Ltd had previously stated its intention to procure two fleets, one ‘captive’ to an international loading gauge for operation solely on the new-build infrastructure, and a ‘classic-compatible’ train to UK standards which would be able to run over conventional lines and provide through high speed services to Liverpool, Newcastle, Scotland and potentially other destinations

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Looks like a cross between de AGV and the New Pendolino.
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Looks like a cross between de AGV and the New Pendolino.
Though it doesn't share the distributed traction design of those units.
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Project delay forces electric trains to go diesel
27 May 2016 at 3:24pm




The entire fleet of new electric Hitachi bullet trains for the region are to have Diesel engines fitted because a massive upgrade of the Great Western train network is up to three years late.

It's thought the move will cost the Government tens of millions of pounds but means almost 110 carriages will not have to sit in the sidings going nowhere. It had already been planned for 36 of the trains - around 300 carriages - to run on both electric and diesel so they can also run in areas not being electrified.

The news came as Network Rial opened a new training centre in Swindon for workers on the project. The scheme in the Thames Valley was largely due for completion at the end of the yeat but today it was confirmed the £2.6 billion upgrade - which is three times over budget - will not be complete until up to three years late.

But it still means some new local trains may be late in service. Great Western railway say it is overall good news as they can introduce major improvements as soon as possible and ease crowding.


Electrification competition in the Thames Valley was due in December 2016

New completion dates:
Reading to Didcot - December 2017
Didcot to Swindon - December 2018
Reading to Newbury - December 2018
Didcot to Oxford - July 2019

source: http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/201...-to-go-diesel/
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HS2 Ltd proposes South Yorkshire route revision
07 Jul 2016



UK: A significant revision of the planned route of the second phase of Britain’s national high speed network is proposed by HS2 Ltd Chairman Sir David Higgins in a report issued on July 7.

Reflecting a heated debate among local politicians, business leaders, planners and transport officials, the report has sought to amend how High Speed 2 might serve Sheffield and the surrounding region. The government had indicated in January 2013 that its preference was for a route that extended HS2 from a junction with the Phase I route near Lichfield, through the East Midlands, to serve an out-of-town station at Meadowhall, an existing rail-tram interchange east of Sheffield city centre

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