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Old October 31st, 2016, 11:54 AM   #961
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Newcastle's Central Station could be 'international gateway' for North East if HS2 is extended

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Newcastle's Central Station could be 'international gateway' for North East if HS2 is extended
31 Oct 2016 By Michael Muncaster



Newcastle’s Central Station will become the “international gateway” for the North East if the HS2 high speed rail link is extended, a new report says.

Sir David Higgins, chairman of HS2 Ltd, has told the Chronicle that extending the HS2 from Leeds to Scotland through Newcastle could be critical to the region. On Monday, he published The Changing Britain: HS2 taking Root report in collaboration with nine local authorities, including Newcastle City Council. It outlines how in the years before the first train runs, high speed rail will become pivotal in driving business growth, creating jobs and increasing connectivity.

Mr Higgins says the council’s plans to invest £9million to transform Central Station and a further £8million to redevelop the Metro station at Central will ensure the region benefits from HS2. He said: “The North East has become the role model of what other cities should be doing to maximise the benefits of the HS2. I visited Newcastle six months ago and met with the council leader Nick Forbes and business representatives. They have a great plan to redevelop the Central Station and the Metro to make sure they get the best out of HS2.”

In the report, the North East Local Enterprise Partnership has outlined plans over the next decade to create 100,000 new jobs and boost the private sector. The report said: “HS2 services will cement the status of Newcastle’s Central Station as an international gateway for North East of England. The station acts as a hub connecting Newcastle International Airport, Sunderland and South Tyneside, East Durham, Northumberland and Cumbria. Seamless interchange to local Metro, rail and bus routes means the people of Newcastle and the wider area are increasingly well-served.”

Council leader Nick Forbes said: “We know in Newcastle that HS2 has the potential to transform the UK economy and it is vital it we in the North East prepare now to make the most of it. The HS2 isn’t just about improved journey times; the new rail route will bring with it jobs and investment. We have plans to put Central Station at the heart of the HS2 network, making the city the gateway for the North, and this report shows clearly how transformational the line could be to our city.”

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Old November 15th, 2016, 01:58 AM   #962
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Guys, maybe this is not the thread to ask for suggestions but...I'm planning a trip to London next year (two weeks between September and October)and I'm asking suggestions for good (and safe, of course) places to take pictures and shot videos of trains passing by, in London or nearby. I've already searched for some places on Google Earth/Street View and checked Twyford, for instance. Places not too far from the city, but where trains meet nature (trees and greens) would be great. Thanks in advance for any help.
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HS2 Phase Two route confirmed
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The preferred route for Phase Two of HS2 from Crewe and the West Midlands to Manchester and Leeds has been presented by the UK government.

Today’s announcement, though not throwing up any major surprises, is an important step for the project as it begins the process of safeguarding the route from future development

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HS2 high speed rail 'will transform' services to Newcastle insists Government

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HS2 high speed rail 'will transform' services to Newcastle insists Government
By Jonathan Walker 16 November 2016



The HS2 high speed rail line will have a “transformational effect” on journey times in the North East even though the new line goes no further north than Leeds, according to the Government.

Ministers highlighted the benefits to Newcastle, Durham and Darlington as Transport Secretary Chris Grayling confirmed the route for the northern section of the new high speed network. In documentation published to accompany the route announcement, the Department for Transport said journey times between London and Newcastle would be cut by half an hour. Trains running north will transfer on to the East Coast Main Line just before York, but the Government says this means Durham, Darlington and Newcastle will all receive HS2 services.

It said: “HS2 will have a transformational effect on journey times, with journeys between Newcastle and Birmingham taking 1 hour 58 minutes, compared to 3 hours 15 minutes currently, and between Newcastle and London taking 2 hours 17 minutes, compared to 2 hours 49 minutes currently.” Journey times between Durham and Birmingham will be cut from 2 hours 57 minutes to 1 hour 50 minutes, the Department said.

Newcastle-upon-Tyne North MP Catherine McKinnell said: “HS2 has the potential to provide Newcastle and the North East with some real benefits, as transport links and increasing our connectivity with the rest of the country can only help to support new jobs and growth. Of course, whether we’ll see HS2 come to Newcastle in my lifetime is a different matter – and improving transport links within the North East and the rest of the North is equally important, if we are to achieve our economic potential.’

Newcastle City Council has set out plans to invest £9 million to improve Central Station and a further £8 million to redevelop the Metro station at Central, to ensure the region benefits from HS2

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Old November 16th, 2016, 05:07 PM   #967
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Hi, one question: how will HS2 link with existing HS1, if so planned? Through the new Cross-rail link initiative?
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Hi, one question: how will HS2 link with existing HS1, if so planned? Through the new Cross-rail link initiative?
HS2 is not going to connect with HS1.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 08:09 PM   #969
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HS2 is not going to connect with HS1.
Wasn't there going to be (an admittedly somewhat implausible) idea to allow through running from HS1 to HS2 via the North London Line through Camden?
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There was indeed. And your choice of the word 'implausible' is perfectly apt.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 01:56 PM   #971
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Wasn't there going to be (an admittedly somewhat implausible) idea to allow through running from HS1 to HS2 via the North London Line through Camden?
There was. It's been cancelled.

Disappointingly, the government has also cancelled the junction (at Old Oak Common station) that would enable a link to be built later. This means that it's impossible to add in a junction at a later date (it would involve demolishing a structural wall of the station, moving platforms, and relaying track, ie closing HS2 for a minimum of six months: not possible).

With that junction, then a fully-tunnelled connector from Old Oak Common to Stretford International would be possible (conceivably including an underground station in central London) - obviously, it would be really expensive (at least £3bn in today's money, more like £5bn with a station), but it would be on the table as a future development if HSR is still a big deal in the 2040s. But this can't happen because of what I regard as a short-sighted decision not to put in a passive provision while the station box is being dug at OOC.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 08:17 PM   #972
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Pity. What short-sightedness!

I guess the idea of Paris, linking all HSR, or even Madrid with the new Chamartin-Atocha tunnel is out of the minds of UK authorities.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 01:43 AM   #973
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Ummmm..... Since when are all the high-speed-lines in Paris linked underground?

I must've slept for a few years.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 02:36 AM   #974
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Since 1995 apparently. Presumably kokomo is referring to "LGV Interconnexion Est", a high speed line through the Paris suburbs that allows services such as Brussels (LGV Nord) to Marseille(LGV Est). It's not every high speed line (France has a few), but it does connect their equivalence of HS1 with HS3.

Not that it really makes much a difference now, Brexit is looking like it'll mean full passport/customs checks, so OOC and stations outside of London are unlikely to have the facilities after 2019.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 03:02 AM   #975
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Not that it really makes much a difference now, Brexit is looking like it'll mean full passport/customs checks, so OOC and stations outside of London are unlikely to have the facilities after 2019.
With the emphasis on passports into Britain, customs into the EU.


Greengauge 21, trying to justify such a link had people walking the 400m at Stratford (including getting off Crossrail trains that would take them to OOC anyway), but no one walking 500m across Somers Town.

Almost all the link's traffic had an origin or destination inside the SE, and over third of traffic never left it (Kent -> Heathrow, Chelmsford -> Milton Keynes sorts of journeys). As such border issues are kind of a red herring - the link ought to be seen more as an HS1 branch to OOC for those connections to understand what it would have been.

It's not much of a loss (and a big boon for Camden/more local journeys to have lost it), and the money saved by not providing provision can be spend on a decent link between Euston and St Pancras.

As for Interconnexion Est - the GdN-GdL distance across Paris is about 8 times the length as Euston-StP, and the line acts like Cross Country trains going via Reading, if Reading was where Slough is - something that the classic network didn't offer at speed.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 01:01 PM   #976
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Crossrail (and even more so if it's extended from Abbey Wood to Ebbsfleet) makes the HS2-HS1 link somewhat redundant for domestic journeys. Single-seat journeys would be nice, but Ashford and Ebbsfleet are not many people's final destination - if you're going to have to change for Manchester-Dover anyway, then a Euston/St Pancras transfer, or Crossrail from OOC to Stratford/Ebbsfleet to join a Javelin doesn't add dramatically to the inconvenience.

International journeys just aren't frequent enough to justify the link - total demand is something like ten trains a day from non-London to Paris, and half that to Brussels. HS2 will be carrying more domestic trains than that every hour.

Even if you built it, I'm not sure that there would be international trains. There would be some domestic trains running Ashford-Ebbsfleet-Stratford-OOC and then to Birmingham/Manchester/Leeds but I really am not convinced that anyone would pay for French customs/immigration officials in Manchester, Birmingham and Leeds to enable a direct service to Paris. You could maybe do UK customs/immigration at Manchester Airport / Birmingham Interchange by getting officials to come over from the airports for the two or three trains a day, but that doesn't get you French entry officials, and they probably cost more than can be justified for a handful of trains.

Now, if we join Schengen, then the calculation is completely different, of course, because there's no border control any more. But I don't think that's very likely.
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Well, the point at the moment with the Channel Tunnel is that there isn't really a border there. No custums checks, just scan your passport at the gate to the platform. That sort of thing would be fine at stations like Birmingham etc, wouldn't cost that much, and I'm sure there would be a demand for it, especially if it meant services at OOC had direct access to the mainland.
I suspect a number of people would get off / on at OOC, but the services would likely be busy either side, even if direct Manc - Paris wasn't overly popular.
How much would it have cost to have left the provision for it?

Sotonsi, the OP stated that the French high speed lines weren't joined so as to allow through running of services, I just pointed out that in fact they had been for decades (and they are actively looking at other potential bypasses). The distance, or the role you think they play doesn't really matter - what matters is that trains don't just go to terminal stations in Paris, there are direct connections and services across different LGV
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And what about on board controls ? We had lots of that between Belgium and France before Shengen.

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Old November 21st, 2016, 04:17 PM   #979
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I don't really see that happening. UK seems to want a hard border, and they want that border to be in France. On train system would make it really easy for people to get on in Paris then end up in the UK.

As an aside, HS2 seems to do a really, really, sh*t job of connecting any of the cities outside of London. Anyone wanting to travel, say, from Manchester to Birmingham would have to go to the Interchange station and change? Or will they run direct trains to/from Brum to the north/Scotland?
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As an aside, HS2 seems to do a really, really, sh*t job of connecting any of the cities outside of London. Anyone wanting to travel, say, from Manchester to Birmingham would have to go to the Interchange station and change? Or will they run direct trains to/from Brum to the north/Scotland?
There will be direct trains from Curzon Street (the city centre Birmingham station) to Manchester, to Leeds, to Newcastle, to Glasgow and to Edinburgh, ie to every destination in the North/Scotland except for Liverpool.

Given that there isn't a fast Liverpool/Birmingham service on the conventional network at the moment, it does seem a little daft not to include a Birmingham/Liverpool on HS2 - competing against an all-shacks 350, it ought to get a decent level of traffic, even if it wouldn't be much quicker than a conventional-network express.
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