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Old August 27th, 2007, 09:30 PM   #101
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The reason Shinkansen uses new dedicated tracks for all the journey, is indeed because Japan uses narrow gauge for ordinary lines. They had no choice.
TGV, on the other hand, uses both new tracks and old tracks, and its flexibility is indeed an advantage for the network. JR East learned from the idea and started their "Mini-Shinkansen" services, Shinkansen that goes through (gauge widened) ordinary lines.

The fact TGV uses shared tracks, however, can be a damage as well. It can not fully utilize its dedicated tracks. That is, it can handle much less amount of passengers than Shinkansen, a line fully comprised of dedicated tracks. (This is also because TGV uses the trains with smaller capacity, since they go through ordinary lines, and also because it uses push-pull cars with lower acceleration compared with EMUs.) TGV's busiest section, between Paris and Lyon, transports 48,000 passengers a day, while Tokaido Shinkansen transports 356,000 passengers a day,

I'm not saying Shinkansen is whole better than TGV, though. The two are simply very different systems. TGV can't handle the traffic Shinkansen can, but then again, TGV doesn't need to. TGV is faster and cheaper, while Shinkansen is busier and quieter (the latter is important in the mountainous islands with very high population density on habitable area). They excel in different points, being suitable in different environments.

Oh, but anyway, this Class 395 is not based on Shinkansen. Sorry for being off topic.
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Old August 28th, 2007, 12:38 AM   #102
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Eurostars also use the HS1. Gauge has nothing to do with this conversation and is an issue only in Japan.
Gauge not but the wideness of the trains may be interesting here. The Eurostar are narrower than the continental trains because they had to deal with the old tracks in UK. But If I'm not wrong the new HS route respects the continental standards. So could we imagine in the future wider and double-decker Eurostar like the TGV Duplex between Paris and London?
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Old August 28th, 2007, 02:18 AM   #103
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Sure, there is no technical reason why a TGV Duplex could not come to London this year - the only thing stopping it after November will be the Channel Tunnel fire regulations, which the Eurostar complies with of course. However, the traffic levels on Eurostar are not high enough (yet) to need "Eurostar Duplex" trains.
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Old August 29th, 2007, 03:00 PM   #104
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The first vehicle which came to Europe from Japan is incorrect.
From old days, it is exported to U.S.A., the U.K., Ireland, others.
Kawasaki, Hitachi produce it.
The half of the share of the subway of NYC is a Japanese vehicle.
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Old August 31st, 2007, 02:52 AM   #105
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That train looks like the Virgin train.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 06:30 AM   #106
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National Railway Museum - York, England

The National Railway Museum is the world's largest of its kind.











Was a bit surprised to see a bullet train here as well!





























A railway museum will not be complete without models.







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This display gallery has so many items to see. If I wanted to research something I could be in there all day!











That day, I went from Glasgow to York, and ultimately bound for London in the evening.









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Old September 2nd, 2007, 04:45 PM   #107
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Its free too, I last went in 2001 and was dissapointed to see it had hardly changed since the early 90s when I'd last went though.
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 05:22 PM   #108
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We have a similar museum,its called "Vasúttörténeti Park"(Railroad history museum).











And here is a page,which is related to this museum, from a transportation blog:
http://hampage.hu/trams/fusti050918/
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 09:12 PM   #109
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Hmmmm, I really oughtta've made it there during their recent big anniversary year . . .
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Old September 2nd, 2007, 09:24 PM   #110
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the TGV hurts itself by piggybacking on existing shared infrastructure since it hampers the competitiveness of the service by handicapping the rolling stock from running at its full capability.
It would appear you fail to recognize the differences in population densities between those two nations overseas, never mind their differences at how they develop. The French 'handicap' I think amounts to a type of super swift travel package you refuse to recognize. Besides, maybe there's some kind of French law prohibiting swift running in town, being the lone type of setting where 'it fouls' infrastructure.

I wish the buyers had some hand in choosing the looks of the new incoming electric fleet announced here (I'd bet they used to do handsomely back in the day). UK could really do a good job, I think, at choosing for themselves something purely distinctive for the whole country (and then some).

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Old September 3rd, 2007, 03:50 PM   #111
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Amazing. I really have to go there one day. When you say "largest of it's kind in the world", what kind do you mean?
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Old September 3rd, 2007, 10:23 PM   #112
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Does anyone know if this is a tilting train?
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Old September 4th, 2007, 01:20 PM   #113
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Does anyone know if this is a tilting train?
No need for it to be - it's going to run at 225km/h on the dedicated high-speed track, and at the same speed (160km/h?) as local services on the older track in Kent.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 02:10 PM   #114
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No need for it to be - it's going to run at 225km/h on the dedicated high-speed track, and at the same speed (160km/h?) as local services on the older track in Kent.
The speed on local tracks is approx 60 - 80 mph Ashford to Ramsgate, a little higher on sections Ashford to Dover and along the coast. Out of interest Ashford to Tonbridge is max 100mph, but it is the longest dead straight section of railway in the uk. Generally, past Ashford the trains will stop loads so high speed is not the aim in this area, but passenger collection.
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TGV may very well have a superior rolling stock. That is important, obviously, but the TGV hurts itself by piggybacking on existing shared infrastructure since it hampers the competitiveness of the service by handicapping the rolling stock from running at its full capability.
Your information is incorrect. TGVs operate on dedicated tracks north out of Paris (TGV Nord) as far as belgium and the channel tunnel, south out of Paris as far as the south coast and the cote d'azur (TGV Lyon/Mediterranee) and south east out of Paris for a 100 miles or so (TGV Atlantique). Currently near completion is a line to Strasbourg (TGV Est) due eventually to go all the way to the German border. They share infrastructure with slower vehicles over ever decreasing distances, are not handicapped in any way. If you were to take a TGV from Lille to Marseille you would travel 700 miles on deicated high speed line at 300mph. Apart from stock currently operating Est services (in advance of TGV-Est opening) all TGV stock runs at full capability for some, if not most of the distance of it's journey.
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Old September 4th, 2007, 03:24 PM   #116
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(Wow, congratulations, Europe, on your two-hour-15-minute link between London and Paris -- WOW {my envy can't cease growing . . . }!)
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Old September 4th, 2007, 07:13 PM   #117
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I've read that it's the largest railway museum in the world.
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Old September 5th, 2007, 03:16 PM   #118
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This is so strange. I believe this is one of the first Asian trains to set foot in Europe?
late reply, no it's not.

Spain has some licensed electric locos and Korean manufacturer Rotem has build some trains/metros for Greece and Turkey.
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Your information is incorrect. TGVs operate on dedicated tracks north out of Paris (TGV Nord) as far as belgium and the channel tunnel, south out of Paris as far as the south coast and the cote d'azur (TGV Lyon/Mediterranee) and south east out of Paris for a 100 miles or so (TGV Atlantique).
South West

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Currently near completion is a line to Strasbourg (TGV Est) due eventually to go all the way to the German border. They share infrastructure with slower vehicles over ever decreasing distances, are not handicapped in any way. Apart from stock currently operating Est services (in advance of TGV-Est opening) all TGV stock runs at full capability for some, if not most of the distance of it's journey.
TGV Est opened June 10th

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If you were to take a TGV from Lille to Marseille you would travel 700 miles on deicated high speed line at 300mph.
300km/h - and in parts 320km/h
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