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Old July 17th, 2014, 06:25 PM   #481
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Old August 4th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #483
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From Rail Journal:

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Testing set to start on Erfurt – Leipzig/Halle HSL
Monday, August 18, 2014


Load testing was carried out on the 2.67km Unstrut Bridge earlier this year

GERMAN Rail (DB) has confirmed that catenary will be energised on the Erfurt – Leipzig/Halle high-speed line (VDE8) on August 25 in readiness for the start of test operation on the 123km route at the end of this month or early next month.

Commercial services are due to begin in December 2015 on the €2.74bn line, reducing Erfurt – Dresden journey times by 40 minutes to 1h 50 min, and Erfurt – Berlin by 45 minutes to 1h 45 min

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Old August 18th, 2014, 06:45 PM   #485
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What is the max speed on the new line
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Old August 18th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #486
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Old October 26th, 2014, 09:32 PM   #488
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According to this DB article all high-speed tests on the new line were successful.

The specially equipped test train ICE-S reached a maximum speed of 330 km/h without any problems proving that a commercial speed of 300 km/h is perfectly safe on the new track.

Another article has some interesting numbers for us:

-in 2017 the ICE-Sprinter will be able to connect Berlin and Munich without any stops in only 3 hours 50 minutes (700 km distance)
-the overall costs of the new high-speed line will be around 11 billion Euro


ICE-S during high-speed tests on the new line.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 10:17 PM   #489
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For comparison: Berlin Hauptbahnhof to München Hauptbahnhof by plane and shuttle to/from airport:

Berlin Hauptbahnhof - Tegel Airport: 22 minutes (TXL bus line)
Checkin/Security/Boarding at Airport: min. 30 minutes before flight departure
Flight duration: 1h 15 minutes
Baggage claim at Munich Airport and going to the train station: about 30 minutes?
Munich Airport - München Hauptbahnhof: 40-45 minutes + up to ca. 10 minutes waiting time

Total estimate: 3 - 3.5 hours
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Old October 27th, 2014, 12:40 AM   #490
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You can turn up only 30 minutes before a flight in Germany for a domestic flight? Normally it's an hour isn't it? Personally considering the hassle of air travel, if it is only 30 minutes between the modes I'd take the train rather than flight. The train is station to station, whereas there are a lot of changes for the airport journey.
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I have checked Air Berlin. They state 30 minutes minimum for Berlin Tegel airport.
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There were new videos posted in the youtube channel of the VDE 8 project.

Project overview


-High-speed line between Berlin and Nürnberg
-Germany´s largest infrastructure project
-Costs: 10 billion €uro
-Vmax: up to 300 km/h
Length: 500 km (230 newly built tracks / 270 km upgraded)
-37 new bridges
-25 new tunnels with a combined length of 56 km (like the Gotthard Base Tunnel)
-Planned opening: 2017



High-speed test between Erfurt and the railway node Gröbers (330 km/h )




Unstrut valley bridge: Load test with two 1000 t heavy test trains




Gänsebach valley bridge: Load test with two 1000 t heavy test trains
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which of the German HSL could be upgraded to run 400km/h tilting trains in the future, when that technology comes around?
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400 km/h?! That´s madness!

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03 Dec 2014

Deutsche Bahn (DB) plans to equip all its ICE trains with free wifi by 2016, the head of the national rail operator said on Wednesday.



"By the end of this year, we'll have outfitted 231 of our 255 ICE trains with the necessary technology," DB CEO Rüdiger Grube told the Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ).

Until now, free wireless internet was only promised to first class passengers, but now Grube says it will be available to all classes starting in 2016.

The upgrade is part of a €200 million investment DB is making to improving passenger services on its long-distance trains, including refurbishing the dining cars.

"(Rail travel) must, simply put, be more comfortable," Grube told the newspaper.

Grube said that the wi-fi will only be enabled when the network has the necessary capacity to handle traffic from all passengers. An ICE can carry as many as 900 passengers.

"If only half of the passengers connect to the wifi, the route has to be so well outfitted that 450 people can rely on one router that connects from one transmitter to another at a speed of 250 kilometres an hour without seeing their connection disrupted," the CEO said of the logistical challenges.

Starting in 2015, DB will release its train-wide intranet service, allowing passengers to download podcasts, movies and games while travelling.

Currently, passengers can connect to a t-mobile Hotspot while travelling at a cost of €4.95 a day.
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which of the German HSL could be upgraded to run 400km/h tilting trains in the future, when that technology comes around?
400km/h doesn´t make sense in Germany!
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400km/h doesn´t make sense in Germany!
Or anywhere in (western) Europe, really. The distances are not large enough to warrant the cost, especially considering the time it takes to accelerate to that speed and back down again when stopping at a station.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 07:49 PM   #498
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In 2006, a made in Germany Velaro train reached up to 403.7 km/h for the testing of the Barcelona - Madrid HSL. That line was designed for 350 km/h although regular services only reach up to 300 km/h due to cost of energy and no substantial time savings coming from higher max speed.

Therefore, Germany already has trains that can reach 400 km/h.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 08:56 PM   #499
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You shouldn't confuse the maximum design speed with the maximum speed reached in tests. Usually trains and railways are tested at their design speed+10%, for instance a 300 km/h train (or railway) can reach 330 km/h, and a 350 km/h can reach 385 km/h, and even more (a modified TGV Duplex reached 575 km/h, but doesn't exceed 320 in regular service). AFAIK the Velaro is designed for 350 km/h, and not more.
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Old December 8th, 2014, 09:30 PM   #500
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400km/h or 500km/h makes sense if you take into account faster acceleration and deceleration or limited stops.

A train travelling at 500km/h could make the trip from Berlin to Munich (~600km) with stops in Leipzig and Nuremberg in 90 minutes.

For comparison:
Tokyo to Osaka (~530km) will be 67 minutes and will have ~9 stations (including both terminus stations). Operating speed 505km/h. I'm not sure why the current ICE train takes 6 hours to do the trip today, but a combination of faster acceleration, max speed, and limited stops will go a long way to reducing that to something more reasonable.

Berlin to Munich in less than 2 hours would be a game changer.

Flights take 75 minutes currently, plus 30 minutes each side to get downtown. Add in check-in and security.

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Looks like the reason that it takes so long as that this isn't a common route in Germany. Sorry... this was coming from my non-German-resident viewpoint thinking that since these are two places that tourists want to visit (Berlin and Munich) that there must be a fast direct line between them. A better comparison appears to be the Munich - Frankfurt - Dusseldorf corridor. Currently, the fastest service I could find does this trip in ~300 minutes (5 hr) and 7 stops. It's also ~600km long depending on routing.

I don't know much about the German line, but the Mizuho service from Osaka to Kagoshima is 911km long and takes 224 minutes (3h 44m and 6 stops + terminus) averaging 244km/h. I imagine that this is partly due to the better acceleration as Japanese trains don't travel faster than 300km/h on this line. (I realize that this rebuts the argument for higher speed, but I still think it's part of the puzzle. Higher max speeds will encourage train manufacturers to provide better acceleration)

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