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Old December 16th, 2014, 05:17 PM   #501
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Video about Schwarzkopftunnel Bypass project for ICE trains:

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Old December 16th, 2014, 07:46 PM   #502
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The main reason to build it is likely not passenger traffic, but to avoid banking on freight trains for just a short section.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:54 PM   #503
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Here is a map of the Schwarzkopftunnel bypass project.


Red line: New routing (with four new tunnels and the new Heigenbrücken station)
Gray: Old route (it will be closed and renaturalized after the new route is completed)

Source with many pictures.
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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:57 PM   #504
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Will the new line be all double track?
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Old December 16th, 2014, 10:01 PM   #505
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Yes.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 11:22 AM   #506
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It would be stupid if not.

Coccodrillo is right by the way: The main reason to rebuild the Spessartrampe is to improve the line for freight trains, not passender traffic.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #507
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I imagine that this is partly due to the better acceleration as Japanese trains don't travel faster than 300km/h on this line.
No, it's due to the fact that ICEs 'waste' a lot of time on (sometimes congested) conventional tracks with 160 km/h and 200 km/h speed limits. See this map. Only on the yellow and red sections are 250+ km/h high speed sections.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #508
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No, it's due to the fact that ICEs 'waste' a lot of time on (sometimes congested) conventional tracks with 160 km/h and 200 km/h speed limits. See this map. Only on the yellow and red sections are 250+ km/h high speed sections.
Indeed, the only reason that the ICE takes me from Regensburg to Plattling in half the time the Agilis needs is that it doesn't stop inbetween...
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Old December 17th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #509
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Are there some credible project to slash travel times between Berlin and Hamburg? Shouldn't be difficult, as the area is flat and sparsely populated.
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Old December 17th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #510
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I want to visit Germany some day but I'm going to make sure to put in my list Berlin and Bonn.
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wrong post, sorry.
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Old December 19th, 2014, 11:58 AM   #512
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Are there some credible project to slash travel times between Berlin and Hamburg? Shouldn't be difficult, as the area is flat and sparsely populated.
Nope. The line built there in 2004 with peaks of 230 kmh, but lots of slow stretches, is considered state of the art in DB views. However to be fair there are lots of other sections in the ICE grid where speeds are considerably lower and where measures are more urgent. Trains from Cologne towards the north and the east for example crawl. It takes 1 hour 15 minutes for an ICE to get from Hamm near Dortmund to Cologne, an approximate 124 km.
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Old December 20th, 2014, 05:58 AM   #513
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Are there some credible project to slash travel times between Berlin and Hamburg? Shouldn't be difficult, as the area is flat and sparsely populated.
The fastest train does it in 1h38. That is faster then any competing mode of transportation.
I see however that travel times vary quite a bit, and not even due to extra stops as there are non stop trains that are slower than trains with stops...
So I guess that there are some issues fitting these trains in the busy traffic around Hamburg, and that is where probably investments would be most welcome.
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The fastest train does it in 1h38. That is faster then any competing mode of transportation.
This should be possible in less than 1h
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Come on! It is almost 300 km. In the 90s, German government was keen to build the first long distance Maglev on that route, but even with that technology and 450-500 kmh, the ride was calculated to take around 60 minutes. The project was stopped due to a general critique of the system, but also because it was argued that due to intermediate stops, the ride would take 82 minutes and 82 minutes would also be possible by conventional ICE. As the ride today takes 20 minutes longer than that, there should be some thought about what could be done to give the line a little more continuous speed, but anything beyond 20 minutes improvement is utterly unrealistic.
(see German wikipedia for MAgnetschnellbahn Berlin - Hamburg)
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This should be possible in less than 1h
Not everything that is possible should be done.
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Old December 24th, 2014, 01:11 AM   #518
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No, it's due to the fact that ICEs 'waste' a lot of time on (sometimes congested) conventional tracks with 160 km/h and 200 km/h speed limits. See this map. Only on the yellow and red sections are 250+ km/h high speed sections.
I didn't realize that the ICE trains don't run on dedicated tracks... and where there ARE high-speed tracks, they appear to have not completed them. Munich to Nurenberg, Frankfurt to Koln. Are there plans to connect ANY two major cities completely with 300km+ lines?

It somehow seems very un-German to have these partially completed HSR lines around the country.

Also, how fast can an ICE train accelerate to ~300km/h? I know one of the selling points of the Shinkansen is that it reaches 285km/h in 180s. This allows it to stop more often with less penalty overall. Stations are generally only about 50km/h apart on the main Tokaido line (though most trains only stop at major stations every 150-200km)
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Old December 24th, 2014, 01:56 AM   #519
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The Map on wikipedia is about 4 1/2 Years old
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Old December 24th, 2014, 07:38 AM   #520
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can something more current be found then?
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