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Old May 29th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #701
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At least if DB buys parts from China they should fit straight into the ICE
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Old May 31st, 2015, 02:27 AM   #702
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Deutsche Bahn might buy trains and parts from China in near future:


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Not going to consider Japan for high quality HS rolling stock?
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Old May 31st, 2015, 03:57 PM   #703
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Did you notice that you specifically placed Belgium with the German list for Thalys, which I then told you uses French trains?
Seems I actually made 2 mistakes when I confused Eurostar and Thalys: Belgian company Thalys doesn't have German trains and Eurostar, that does, is actually an English company.
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Old May 31st, 2015, 03:59 PM   #704
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Not going to consider Japan for high quality HS rolling stock?
They might. Hitachi will have factories in 2 European countries in the very near future.
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Old May 31st, 2015, 06:30 PM   #705
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'Made in Germany' is still a very very powerful brand almost anywhere across the globe.
However on the other hand consider this:
German HSR technology was sold to Spain, Turkey, Russia, China, Taiwan and Belgium (Thalys).
French HSR was sold to Spain, Italy, Tunesia, South Korea, China, USA and Belgium.
So the French aren't doing that bad either.
700T of Taiwan, as its name implies, is based on Japanese 700 series.
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Old May 31st, 2015, 07:45 PM   #706
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Well, Alstom is a French company, but the ETR 600 are designed in Italy by Alstom and AnsaldoBreda, so I think Italians in my list.
It is in Spanish, sorry, but I think you understand.
(In blue which are being manufactured)

Ésta es mi lista de automotores de AV (TAVs) para 200 km/h o más, exportados.

Hay que tener en cuenta que la mayor parte de las veces lo que se exporta es la tecnología, ya que los trenes suelen estar fabricados en el país comprador. Otras veces se fabrica una serie que va a prestar servicio en varios países, los cuales compran algunos de los trenes (Eurostar, Thalys).
Es un tema muy complejo; por ejemplo: Siemens fabrica el 18% del CRH380BL, y no lo he puesto en la lista. Kawasaki y CSR Sifang (China) estuvieron en juicios por la propiedad intelectual del CRH380A; así que en China solo he puesto los de primera generación. Hitachi ha puesto una fábrica en el Reino Unido, pero la tecnología es claramente japonesa. Incluyo a Bombardier porque fabrica en todo el mundo, aunque técnicamente casi no exporte, y es que estamos hablando sobre todo de tecnología. Por ejemplo: los ETR 1000 de Bombardier se montan en la fábrica de AnsaldoBreda en Italia, donde se construyen las carrocerías, pero se diseñó en Alemania y la propulsión se hace en Trápaga (Vizcaya).
En fin, espero que sirva para poder hacerse una idea.

ALEMANIA (Siemens) (163)
ICE T: Austria (3 S-4011)
Velaro: España (26 S-103), Holanda (4 ICE 3M), Rusia (8 + 8 Sapsan), China (80 CRH3, solo 3 fabricados en Alemania), Turquía (7 + 10 Velaro TR) y Eurostar Reino Unido (10 + 7 e320)

CHINA (Qingdao) (9)
En su lista de exportaciones (¡!) figuran 9 CRH380A para Hong-Kong. También estaban los 12 para Méjico, pero el contrato fue anulado.

ESPAÑA (69)
(CAF)
ATPRD S-120: Turquía (12 HizliTren HT65000)
Arabia Saudí SAR (5 trenes push-pull diésel)
Oaris: Noruega Flytoget (8 de 4M para 250 km/h)
(Talgo)
T 250: Uzbekistán (2 Afrosiyob, de ancho fijo)
T 250: Arabia Saudí SRO (6 diésel, de ancho fijo)
T 350: Arabia Saudí SRO (35 + 1 híbrido Haramain)

FRANCIA (Alstom) (174)
TGV-PSE: Suiza (2 Lyria)
TGV-Atlántico: España (24 S-100) Solo 16 motrices y 32 coches fabricados en Francia.
TGV-Réseau: Corea (46 KTX) Solo 12 fabricados en Francia.
TGV-TMST: Bélgica (4) y Eurostar Reino Unido (11 Three Capitals + 7 North of London)
Thalys: Alemania (2), Bélgica (7) y Holanda (2)
TGV Basculante: EE UU (20 Acela)
TGV-exPOS: Suiza (10 Lyria)
TGV-Duplex 2N2: Marruecos (14 Duplex Maroc)
AGV: Italia NTV (25 Italo)

ITALIA (218)
(FIAT)
ETR 450: España (1 S-443, del ETR 401)
ETR 460/470/480: Finlandia (18 Sm3) y Finlandia-Rusia (4 Sm6 Allegro), Portugal (10 Alfa Pendular), Eslovenia (6 ETR 310), España (10 S-490 Alaris y 20 S-104 Avant) y Suiza (4 ETR 470 y 44 ICN, de ADtranz/FIAT/Schindler Waggon)
(Alstom/AnsaldoBreda)
ETR 600: China (60 CRH5, solo 3 en Italia), España (13 S-114 Avant) y Suiza (7 + 8 + 4 ETR 610)
(AnsaldoBreda)
V250: Holanda-Bélgica (16 + 3 Albatros para Fyra; anulado con solo 9 entregados)

JAPÓN (336)
(Hitachi)
A Train: Reino Unido Southeastern Railway (29 Javelin 395)
A Train: Reino Unido Super Express eléctricos Class 801 (21 para FGW y 42 para East Coast).
A Train: Reino Unido Super Express híbridos Class 800 (36 para FGW y 23 para East Coast).
(Kawasaki)
E2: China (100 CRH2A, 10 CRH2B, 60 CRH2C y 20 CRH2E) Solo 3 fabricados en Japón.
(Kawasaki, Hitachi y Nippon Sharyo)
700: Taiwan (30 THSR 700 T) El concurso fue ganado por el Eurotrain (tractoras ICE 2 con remolques Duplex) pero se anuló.

SUECIA (Asea/ABB) (1)
X2 (X2000): China (1 Xinshisu)

BOMBARDIER Transportation (Compañía canadiense, pero su sede ferroviaria está en Berlín, Alemania) (440)
CHINA (joint-venture con Sifang-Qingdao):
Regina: 126 CRH1A y 20 CRH1B
Zefiro 250NG: 60 CRH1A y 20 CRH1E
Zefiro 380: 70 CRH380D

ITALIA (joint-venture con AnsaldoBreda, que tiene el 70%):
V300Zefiro: 50 ETR 1000

SUECIA (Bombardier):
Regina: 7 X50 y 25 X52

SUIZA (Bombardier):
Twindexx Swiss Express: 50 + 9 + 3 por retraso

Y no cuento los 130 ICx K1n ni los 170 ICx K3s ya que se fabricarán con Siemens y Bombardier solo tiene el 36%.
Tampoco cuento los TGV Duplex, con participación de ANF, comprada por Bombardier.
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Old May 31st, 2015, 08:47 PM   #707
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700T of Taiwan, as its name implies, is based on Japanese 700 series.
True, but you may not have been aware that Deutsche Bahn was also highly involved in THSR. In fact in the early stages there were lots of German drivers in Taiwan:
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Old May 31st, 2015, 08:57 PM   #708
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Alstom is a French company
Bombardier Transportation is considered Canadian, despite that it's headquarters and major production facilities are located in Germany.
Then again: according to that logic Ikea would be a Dutch company as well as U2 a Dutch band (both because because of favourable Dutch tax laws)
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Old June 1st, 2015, 09:45 AM   #709
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Bombardier Transportation is considered Canadian, despite that it's headquarters and major production facilities are located in Germany.
Bombardier is basically a Canadian holding with two major, largely independent divisions, Aerospace and Transportation. And yes, Bombardier Transportation is run from Berlin, so for all practical purposes that is a German company.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 11:54 AM   #710
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Germany High speed train. Very nice train.
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Old June 1st, 2015, 11:22 PM   #711
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True, but you may not have been aware that Deutsche Bahn was also highly involved in THSR. In fact in the early stages there were lots of German drivers in Taiwan:
I don't think driver training can be considered as high speed rail technology export in conventional sense. Trains, signaling and trucks should be considered.

Also, what is the story behind this weird training setup? Germans teaching how to run Japanese trains... Why were not Japanese there?
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 03:11 AM   #712
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Bombardier transportation is Essentially German. Just like 7-11 is essentially Japanese.

Bombardier hq and bombardier aerospace are essentially still centred in Canada.

Interestingly brands like KFC are also more popular in Asia than the U.S.

It does bring up the question though. Is Apple American or Chinese? What about Toyota? They manufacture most of their cars in Canada for North America.
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Old June 2nd, 2015, 03:16 AM   #713
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I don't think driver training can be considered as high speed rail technology export in conventional sense. Trains, signaling and trucks should be considered.



Also, what is the story behind this weird training setup? Germans teaching how to run Japanese trains... Why were not Japanese there?

I wonder if it had to do with Taiwan cancelling contracts before going with the Japanese bid. They changed their mind last minute after a huge earthquake swayed public opinion to choose the safer system (in light of earthquakes)

Wasn't the previous contract for German trains?
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Bombardier transportation is Essentially German. Just like 7-11 is essentially Japanese.

Bombardier hq and bombardier aerospace are essentially still centred in Canada.

Interestingly brands like KFC are also more popular in Asia than the U.S.

It does bring up the question though. Is Apple American or Chinese? What about Toyota? They manufacture most of their cars in Canada for North America.
Apple and Toyota I would consider them as American and Japanese respectively.

so in retrospect, where the headquarters are located can be consider as that country's "brand", unless that brand have outsourced design, then the brand should and could be regarded as international
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Old June 10th, 2015, 03:24 PM   #715
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Opening of Leipzig-Erfurt HSR endangered

Trouble for the new HSR due to open to commercial services this December between Erfurt and Leipzig/Halle. Surprisingly the Railway Federal Authority (EBA) has refused to accept the rail bed construction used on the bridges of the new line. As the variety of solid rail bed that was to be used there has not been used before, EBA expected some proof of its safety. As the constructors failed to provide that, the EBA has now announced that it will not authorize traffic on these bridges. While DB at the moment claims this will not upset the schedule, rumors have started that this could mean up to a 3 year delay for other construction methods to be found, built and approved. The section in question is a vital link for services Berlin-Frnakfurt and later also Berlin-Munich. This problem supposedly does not endanger the second leg of the extension (Erfurt-Bamberg), as more established forms of solid rail bed are being installed there. In German http://dmm.travel/news/artikel/lesen...ighalle-69260/
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Old June 12th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #716
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Pakistan should start Metro Railway everywhere. in Pakistan
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Webcam + Introduction of vde 8.2 part (Erfurt - Halle/Leipzig)







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Old June 19th, 2015, 01:40 AM   #719
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Sie Könnten. Hitachi haben Fabriken in zwei europäischen Ländern in der sehr nahen Zukunft .
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Old June 19th, 2015, 07:55 AM   #720
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Netinera Deutschland's subsidiary Länderbahn (Regentalbahn) to supply 12 Coradia Lint 41 regional diesel multiple units and this two-unit Coradia Lint 41 trains, which will have a total of 125 seats and up to 135 places for standing passengers, can reach a maximum operating speed of up to 140km/h.

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