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Old November 18th, 2010, 03:58 PM   #161
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What about the line between Mannheim and Basel? Last year most of the work (fourth track on the existing line) had been done between Mannheim and Baden Baden. What's the current situation?
A lot of information can be found here:

http://www.karlsruhe-basel.de/

Just north of Basel the Katzenbergtunnel is currently under construction. Construction on the tracks leading to this tunnel is about to begin. Besides that not a lot is going on. A lot of planning, but no building yet.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 04:48 PM   #162
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What are the REAL High Speed Rail Link in Germany?
This thread can be closed. There are simply no real high speed links in Germany. Here and there a few short stretches were built which allow advanced speed. Hence travel times on these routes have been cut by a few minutes. Nothing stunning, however.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 05:09 PM   #163
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This thread can be closed. There are simply no real high speed links in Germany.
Really?
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Old November 18th, 2010, 05:09 PM   #164
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanover...-speed_railway
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Old November 18th, 2010, 08:09 PM   #165
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This thread can be closed. There are simply no real high speed links in Germany. Here and there a few short stretches were built which allow advanced speed. Hence travel times on these routes have been cut by a few minutes. Nothing stunning, however.
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Old November 18th, 2010, 10:17 PM   #166
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Old November 18th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #167
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This thread can be closed. There are simply no real high speed links in Germany. Here and there a few short stretches were built which allow advanced speed. Hence travel times on these routes have been cut by a few minutes. Nothing stunning, however.
Yes it is about time that Germany built high speed lines. This slow train that I normally take from Frankfurt to Koln only travel at a maximum of 300 km/h on a dedicated newly built line and it takes a full hour for the more than 200km. (I thought that average is actually higher than the most French high speed lines)
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Old November 18th, 2010, 11:42 PM   #168
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Yes it is about time that Germany built high speed lines. This slow train that I normally take from Frankfurt to Koln only travel at a maximum of 300 km/h on a dedicated newly built line and it takes a full hour for the more than 200km. (I thought that average is actually higher than the most French high speed lines)
No, it's not. Travel speed between Frankfurt/M and Köln is 177 km/h. The French TGV travels faster. And not only on 100 km but on 700 km of dedicated high speed line.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 12:41 AM   #169
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Which isn't hard as there basically isn't anything important inbetween.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 11:02 AM   #170
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No, it's not. Travel speed between Frankfurt/M and Köln is 177 km/h. The French TGV travels faster. And not only on 100 km but on 700 km of dedicated high speed line.
Average speed, you mean?
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Old November 19th, 2010, 11:12 AM   #171
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so...how important is limburg and montabaur ?
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Old November 19th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #172
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so...how important is limburg and montabaur ?
The stations in Limburg and Montabaur are the result of political compromises. Germany being a democracy and all that...
But not all trains stop there, and the stations do serve a larger area, thanks to connections with other public transport.

In fact, I think it's a good idea to have a station about every 20km or so on HSLs', just like on the Shinkansen lines in Japan. Of course, that implies you run a schedule with a mixture of direct, limited stop and all stop trains, but again the Japanese show that this is possible.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:02 PM   #173
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Last time I took the train between Frankfurt and Koln, the cruise speed was between 250 km/h and 290 km/h.
Actually, a real high speed line, such as Ingoldstadt - Nurnberg.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:08 PM   #174
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No, it's not. Travel speed between Frankfurt/M and Köln is 177 km/h. The French TGV travels faster. And not only on 100 km but on 700 km of dedicated high speed line.
TGVs run faster, but don't necessarily always transport you faster...
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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:18 PM   #175
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TGVs run faster, but don't necessarily always transport you faster...
But then France is not your immortal beloved Switzerland; not too many people want to travel from Bordeaux to Grenoble.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:21 PM   #176
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I think that German raiway policy is different from France, China, Japan, Spain, Italy these countries have dedicated HSL a HSL creates a fast mass transport for people this avoid many problems for this countries and reduce the road-based system needs. But Germany has a more important freight transport than other countries in Europe where is the best balance of this, I really don´t know. But a dedicated HSL liberates the normal tracks for freight and conmuter transport.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 06:34 PM   #177
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In theory yes. But only if you are in the lucky position that you need the capacity for freight trains exactly where it makes sense to build a HSL, too. That isn't too often the case.
E. g. the Hannover - Würzburg HSL was planned for both HSR and freight trains (and is equally important for both).
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Old November 19th, 2010, 07:08 PM   #178
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I think that transports systems must be multimodal there will be ever the plane routes main airports, HSR routes link to other cities and metro and commuters links. China is trying to change from plane to HSR the mass people transport this will make China less oil deppendent in the future ( a great achivement due to the size of China and the future of the oil market ), but many other countries don´t have the financial resources for that. Europe must be less-dependent on imported-oil in the next future and the investment in HSR and upgrading normal rail is a key for this, that´s for sure.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 07:33 PM   #179
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But then France is not your immortal beloved Switzerland; not too many people want to travel from Bordeaux to Grenoble.
But people do want to travel from Bordeaux to Toulouse, a market that is vastly underserved by SNCF too.
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Old November 19th, 2010, 08:06 PM   #180
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But people do want to travel from Bordeaux to Toulouse, a market that is vastly underserved by SNCF too.
Where is the evidence of passengers clamoring for hourly system timetable departures? Someone is clearly not doing a good jobs of separate facts from intuitions in the name of not weakening arguments.
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