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[stuwa]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

There is no reason why dwelling output can not stay the same while stopping further land releases.

Hypothetically, yes through increases in density etc. Is that what you're referring to? The reality is completely different.

[crazyknightsfan]

^ Correct. We can hypothesise about the reality but we don't have an Australian example to look to as a case study.

The only international case study that I'm aware of is Portland - anyone aware of data and details on other cases around the world?

[stuwa]

The logic, economics, enviro. benefits etc are pretty much indisputable, and as an intellegent but self serving culture we kinda already know this, but we kinda don't really want it to change either (speaking generally)

[ryan79]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

There is no reason why dwelling output can not stay the same while stopping further land releases.

The problem with that is that the value of property is in the land. So as population grows you can densify but you still have the same amount of actual land to develop.

I can't see any way around that unless you stop or significantly slow population growth or you have a declining population.

[crazyknightsfan]

Originally Posted by ryan79

The problem with that is that the value of property is in the land. So as population grows you can densify but you still have the same amount of actual land to develop.

I can't see any way around that unless you stop or significantly slow population growth or you have a declining population.

If I interpret what you are saying correctly then the value of the land on block X is, instead of being vested in one owner, is vested in - for example - 20 owners.

I feel like I'm missing something though.

[ryan79]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

If I interpret what you are saying correctly then the value of the land on block X is, instead of being vested in one owner, is vested in - for example - 20 owners.

I feel like I'm missing something though.

Lets say we stop releasing land starting today.

And, for an easy examples sake, there is 50sqm per person.

Now population increases, land doesn't, soon it will be 40sqm per person.

It kicks off the supply/demand effect - more people/demand for the same finite good (land).

So while we can supply more homes within the same land mass by increasing density, you are still putting pressure on supply of land.

Thats how I see it anyway, happy to be proven wrong.

[crazyknightsfan]

^ Yes but to increase dwelling numbers you don't need additional land, only dwellings. So the supply of land being finite is irrelevant as long as the number of dwellings continues to increase (assuming population also increases).

[ryan79]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

^ Yes but to increase dwelling numbers you don't need additional land, only dwellings. So the supply of land being finite is irrelevant as long as the number of dwellings continues to increase (assuming population also increases).

Hmm yeah but I believe value is in the land not the dwelling.

Perhaps if you put say 20 people on the same block you had 1 then the value of land would increase but not by the same rate. ie the land wouldn't be worth 20 times more.

Hmmmm yeah I'm going to have to go ahead and rethink my orginal statement.

But its more than just a numbers game, people have to be willing to adjust their lifestyle for it to work - of which there are many who would (I for one would if affordable).

[BartBart]

Source

Anger as resorts chain rejected
Beatrice Thomas, The West Australian November 27, 2010, 2:35 am

The head of an international resorts chain has hit out at a lack of support in WA for foreign operators.

His criticism comes after the Foreign Investment Review Board decided against approval for a Margaret River venture.

In an email sent to TourismWA board members and obtained by _The West Weekend, _Karma Resorts boss John Spence questioned the level of action by the State Government and its agencies to back rhetoric on the need for new hotels and resorts.

The Ernst & Young Australian Entrepreneur of the Year, who won the award in recognition for his resort developments, said he was also confused and frustrated at a lack of feedback on why his proposal for a hotel at Rottnest was overlooked by the Rottnest Island Authority in favour of plans by Marilynne Paspaley's Pinctada Hotels and Resorts.

"It is clear that for whatever reason the Karma Group, and presumably myself, is not welcome to do business and develop hotels and resorts in this State," he said in the email.

"Given that TourismWA and the Government publicly claim they are aware of the need for new hotel rooms and resorts and want to encourage the development of them, this understandably baffles us.

"… without sounding paranoid, we are coming to the firm view Western Australia does not want foreign successful international resort developers and operators and only supports local companies."

British-born Mr Spence, a former TourismWA director whose company is based in Singapore, said yesterday that although the Canberra-based review board's decision had nothing to do with local agencies, he had had "absolutely zero feedback or support".

"I genuinely believe that the State of Western Australia, it does not recognise the importance of tourism," he said.

The company's plans for Karma Margaret River, including 29 luxury villas, vineyard and private landing strip were put on hold during the global downturn. Mr Spence has not decided whether to fight the board's decision.

Tourism Minister Liz Constable rejected claims that WA did not support foreign investment. Ms Constable pointed to the decision for Aman resorts to develop a six-star resort at the Old Treasury building and a recent delegation to a property conference in Hong Kong as recent examples of its commitment.

TourismWA chief executive Stephanie Buckland said it would welcome a new Karma Resort and would provide "any appropriate assistance", if asked. She said she understood Mr Spence had been offered a detailed briefing on the Rottnest decision.

"I genuinely believe that the State of Western Australia, it does not recognise the importance of tourism."" *John Spence *

[Perth4life]

Originally Posted by crazyknightsfan

There is no reason why dwelling output can not stay the same while stopping further land releases.

this

[dallastexjr]

Originally Posted by BartBart

Anger As Resorts Chain Rejected

I wonder if their proposal got lost in bureaucratic red tape or if the guy proposed something dodgy and is now king of spin. No one has commented on his hotel proposals for Rotto and Margaret River directly, so I assume it's the first.

[Dilaz89]

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/...-1225962869687

read the comments. oh the humanity!

[aaronaugi1]

Originally Posted by Dilaz89

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/...-1225962869687

read the comments. oh the humanity!

"WA - Where you'll never be please with anything"

[Sanj]

fucking ridiculous. even when they build hospitals people arent happy, this will mean $3bn worth of hospitals under construction

i do think it is shortsighted to only build one with 274 beds but that doesnt surprise me. why not bite the bullet and build a bigger one?

[aaronaugi1]

Originally Posted by Sanj

fucking ridiculous. even when they build hospitals people arent happy, this will mean $3bn worth of hospitals under construction

i do think it is shortsighted to only build one with 274 beds but that doesnt surprise me. why not bite the bullet and build a bigger one?

A Childrens Hospital is a bit different to regular hospital wards. I doubt the need for childrens hospital beds is something that grows in-line with population growth.

I'd hazard a guess to say they'll probably look at creating children specific health care facilities as FSH, Joondalup HC and any new Swan Health Campus. The long term health strategy is to create 4 major health campuses across the metropolitan area servicing each region. QEII just seems to be first in line.

[Sanj]

Originally Posted by aaronaugi1

A Childrens Hospital is a bit different to regular hospital wards. I doubt the need for childrens hospital beds is something that grows in-line with population growth.

I'd hazard a guess to say they'll probably look at creating children specific health care facilities as FSH, Joondalup HC and any new Swan Health Campus.

it is something built every 30 years or so at the very minimum, it stinks of the usual build what is needed now attitude that has always shat me off about perth. besides, we all know that probably looking to create = at least another 10 years

how does a growing pop not = growing need for childrens hospital beds?

[aaronaugi1]

Originally Posted by Sanj

how does a growing pop not = growing need for childrens hospital beds?

Children can be treated at a regular hospital...

I've always understood PMH to be exclusively for children for the purpose of pairing research facilities with specific children based medical issues.

[Dilaz89]

Barnett spoke at a CCIWA event yesterday. Here's some of he spoke about viaGareth Parker on Twitter (@G_Parker)

Perth itself is changing, for the better. Walk down the streets and you can see it.
Taking it's rightful place as west coast capital.

I know there's great skepticism about waterfront project, but as soon as chogm is completed, construction will start.

Says EntCent redevelopment will happen thanks to Kerry Stokes and talks up physical connection between Parliament, city and Kings Park.

Concedes the govt has work to do on congestion. Roads around airports are an embarrassment and a disgrace. Wishes it could be fixed by chogm

Pays tribute to southern railway but says northern rail and freeway are chockers. Says serious planning is underway for light rail line.

[Kelli]

^Oh thanks, that is where it was from. I heard a snippet about it on the radio, but couldn't find any info anywhere, a transcript would be interesting.

[crave]

Originally Posted by Dilaz89

Barnett spoke at a CCIWA event yesterday. Here's some of he spoke about viaGareth Parker on Twitter (@G_Parker)

nice one... this post has inspired my first fb status whinge for tha day... thanx dilaz xox.