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Old April 28th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #2081
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A huge chunk of the Spring Festival migration is students, and normally they are more likely to use HSR than others because they tend to travel between major cities, and most of them have no problem affording the ticket. In fact I never thought money is an issue when dealing with migrant workers traveling home. They only got to go home once a year and migrant worker pay has been increasing steadily every year, there are numerous reports of migrant workers rent cars to travel home, or even buy used ones, drive home and resell.
HSR-s are faster compared to cars, buses or low speed rails. And this means that people who can only find the time to go home once a year without HSR may afford the time to travel by HSR for weekends, if they can afford it.

Have any done so?
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Old April 28th, 2011, 07:32 PM   #2082
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Aedas hitches growth plan to China's high-speed rail
By Chen Qide (China Daily)
Updated: 2011-04-28 07:53

SHANGHAI - Aedas Ltd, a leading architectural design company, is targeting the Chinese market as part of an expansion strategy that will take advantage of the opportunities provided by the country's investment in high-speed rail, Ken Wai, managing director of Aedas China, said on Monday.

China is expected to build 16,000 kilometers of high-speed rail by 2020, providing huge job opportunities for architects, Wai said.

"Our strategy is to develop our business to include high-speed rail development," he told China Daily in an exclusive interview.

Aedas has established an office in Shanghai to lay a foundation for the expansion.

"We will spotlight the Yangtze Delta region - a key section of China's high-speed rail program - where a large number of second-tier cities call for excellent architectural and urban planning designs," Wai said.

He said the company will apply its experience in designing the Hong Kong West Kowloon Terminus - a transportation hub that includes high-speed rail, subways, buses, taxis, hotels and retail facilities - to the mainland's urban planning.

Aedas is designing projects in Suzhou and Wuxi, Jiangsu province. Its design project in Suzhou centers on a 980,000-square-meter commercial hub, he said.

The company also intends to spread beyond the Yangtze Delta to include southwestern China as a key part of its Chinese operations.

"We plan to set up an office in Chongqing this year to promote our business in the region," Wai said.

According to industry experts, China is expected to have a 76 percent urbanization rate in the next 50 years, which will result in a demand for skilled architects.

Aedas currently has three regional headquarters, in London, New York and Hong Kong, and employs 2,300 people worldwide.

It achieved revenue of $220 million in 2010, 25 percent of which came from the Chinese market.

"We hope to achieve more from such a big market. We expect to double or triple our project volume in China in the next five years," he said.

Wai declined to disclose the total amount Aedas plans to invest in China, but said that at least 30 percent of the company's global annual profit will be used to employ master architects, update design software and train employees.

It plans to hire 100 architects annually from China and overseas in the next three years and increase the number of its employees in the country from 80 to 420, Wai said.

"We aim to hire architects with a different cultural background to add different styles to our designs for projects in China," he said.
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Old April 28th, 2011, 10:29 PM   #2083
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HSR-s are faster compared to cars, buses or low speed rails. And this means that people who can only find the time to go home once a year without HSR may afford the time to travel by HSR for weekends, if they can afford it.

Have any done so?
We are mainly talking about migrant workers, who only gets off once a year, they don't really have "weekends" to travel home. Most of those guys come from the interior provinces which means at present the HSR which will help them are the Wuhan-Guangzhou line, Shanghai-Chengdu line, and the Zhengzhou-Xi'an line. Migrant workers are now be able to travel faster out of the coastal regions to a major city near their hometown, then transfer to buses or conventional trains to reach their final destination.
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Old April 28th, 2011, 11:29 PM   #2084
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Could you list these routes? And which existing HSR-s are on these routes? Are any HSR-s under construction on these routes?


How do these prices compare to low-speed trains? To airplanes?

As shown, 350 km/h trains are cheaper than buses, and far faster. Are there any buses left along the Guangzhou-Wuhan high speed railway?

350 km/h trains are still inefficient compared to slower trains. Buses are limited to 90...110 km/h, so a train travelling at as little as 140 km/h would be definitely faster and (since even 350 km/h train is cheaper) far cheaper than the bus. Are there any plans to build new 120...200 km/h passenger railways through countryside not served by existing rails and only accessible by bus? These lines should be far cheaper to build than 350 km/h railways.
Migrant workers in Beijing mostly come from Hebei, northeastern provinces, Shandong, Anhui and Hubei; Migrant workers in Pearl River Delta mostly come from Sichuan, Jiangxi, Hunan and Hubei; Migrant workers in Yangtze River delta mostly come from Anhui, Northern Jiangsu, Jiangxi and Hubei. So far I believe only Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR is on those popular routes.

The ridiculously expensive bus ticket prices were mostly due to lack of competition and price hike during festivals(unlike railway service, they can double or even triple the price). In most cases, slow trains running at 120-160 km/h beat long-distance buses hands down. D-trains running at 200-250 km/h often wipe-out almost all long-distance buses along the same route.
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Old April 28th, 2011, 11:55 PM   #2085
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Migrant workers in Yangtze River delta mostly come from Anhui, Northern Jiangsu, Jiangxi and Hubei. So far I believe only Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR is on those popular routes.
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In most cases, slow trains running at 120-160 km/h beat long-distance buses hands down. D-trains running at 200-250 km/h often wipe-out almost all long-distance buses along the same route.
Is the high-speed railway Wuhan-Hefei-Nanjing-Shanghai popular with migrant workers from Hubei and Anhui?

Did the additional trains Shanghai-Nanjing start in March?
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Old April 29th, 2011, 12:18 AM   #2086
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A huge chunk of the Spring Festival migration is students, and normally they are more likely to use HSR than others because they tend to travel between major cities, and most of them have no problem affording the ticket. In fact I never thought money is an issue when dealing with migrant workers traveling home. They only got to go home once a year and migrant worker pay has been increasing steadily every year, there are numerous reports of migrant workers rent cars to travel home, or even buy used ones, drive home and resell.
migrant workers, as most hard working Chinese, are always price-sensitive. Many of them will always choose the lowest fare unless the train takes too long (for example, standing ticket in a green-skin for 30+ hours), even if they can afford a ride on high speed trains. The thing is, as you point it out, most of them travel only once a year during the spring festival, they are the customers MoR cannot ignore, but certainly not the target customers. The best way to help them is put more temporary trains and improve the booking system so that they don't have to spend days waiting in lines. In this aspect, Guangdong has done a good job this year to help migrant workers. And about 30% of passengers in Guangdong Bureau were transported by HSRs(Wu-Guang, Hainan East Ring, inter city lines) during the spring festival.

There should and could be a balance between slow trains and high speed trains. and gradually most passenger would take the high-speed trains.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 08:43 PM   #2087
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Is the high-speed railway Wuhan-Hefei-Nanjing-Shanghai popular with migrant workers from Hubei and Anhui?
I forgot that this is also one popular route for migrant workers. the supposedly HSR from Chengdu to Shanghai will be one of the main artery of the HSR network once it is completed, but it is not a PDL. so far the completed section between Wuhan-Hefei-Nanjing-Shanghai is not really popular among migrant workers, you only see a small proportion of them on the D-trains. There are economic trains on the conventional lines.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #2088
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Chongqing to start building high-speed railway to Changsha

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The construction of the Chongqing-Changsha special passenger line, with a maximum speed of 250 kilometers per hour, is expected to begin in 2011. This is the second special passenger line under construction in Chongqing.

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Old April 29th, 2011, 08:52 PM   #2089
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Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hongkong HSR opening postponed again due to construction difficulties in Shiziyang Tunnel

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广深港高铁的通车日期曾数度变化,最早定在2010年底,后来推迟到今年七月上旬,最近有消息说八月上旬通车。而最新的消息是有望八月中下旬通车。

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The report says it is now expected to open in middle to late August.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 09:12 PM   #2090
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Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Hongkong HSR opening postponed again due to construction difficulties in Shiziyang Tunnel


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The report says it is now expected to open in middle to late August.
Is Beijing-Shanghai high speed railway on schedule for 20th of June?

Also: do all Chinese work 350 consecutive days in a year, or do any of them get free weekends?
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^ currently on schedule.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #2092
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Is Beijing-Shanghai high speed railway on schedule for 20th of June?

Also: do all Chinese work 350 consecutive days in a year, or do any of them get free weekends?
Chinese people legally enjoy over 115 days off including 104 days of weekends and 11 days of festivals. Employees have 5 to 15 days of paid annual leave.
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Old April 30th, 2011, 02:39 AM   #2093
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广深港高铁通车 GZ-SZ-HK High Speed Rail Opens 2011/08
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Old April 30th, 2011, 10:07 AM   #2094
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There should and could be a balance between slow trains and high speed trains. and gradually most passenger would take the high-speed trains.
Yes, but passengers might travel by high speed trains to major cities and then continue by slow speed trains to destination. Should these low speed trains be improved?

Also, Guangdong had Guangzhou-Wuhan high speed trains in this new Hare Year. By new Dragon Year, should Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway be ready to handle holiday traffic?
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I forgot that this is also one popular route for migrant workers. the supposedly HSR from Chengdu to Shanghai will be one of the main artery of the HSR network once it is completed, but it is not a PDL. so far the completed section between Wuhan-Hefei-Nanjing-Shanghai is not really popular among migrant workers, you only see a small proportion of them on the D-trains. There are economic trains on the conventional lines.
You are right about the Wuhan-Shanghai line (part of the Chengdu-Shanghai line) being potentially popular with migrant workers. I rode it last year and it's pretty nice, I remember in the early 90s I traveled via passenger ship from Wuhan to Nanjing, it's an overnight trip. Migrant workers only show up during Spring Festival holiday so I didn't see any. I'd say the extensive expressway network is also a factor that migrant workers may opt for long haul buses instead of HSR.
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Old May 1st, 2011, 12:57 AM   #2096
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By new Dragon Year, should Shenzhen-Xiamen high speed railway be ready to handle holiday traffic?
I don't think so. previous reports said it would be completed before the end of this year, but based on current construction status, it won't be ready before late 2012.
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Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR set a daily passenger volume record

On April 30th, the first day of the Labor Day weekend, Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR within Guangdong and Hunan delivered 139K passengers, setting a new daily record.

http://news.ycwb.com/2011-04/30/content_3422406.htm

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"五一"首日广铁发送旅客102.8万 创历史新高
来源:金羊网  发表时间:2011-04-30 22:41:15 

金羊网讯 记者从广铁集团获悉,4月30日,“五一”小长假第一天广铁旅客发送量达到
102.8万,与去年同期相比增长21.1万,增幅达25.8%,创历年来单日旅客发送新纪录;
武广高铁发送旅客13.9万,创下武广高铁开通运营以来单日最高纪录。

其中,广州火车站发送13.4万人,同比增长6%;广州东站发送8.7万人,同比增长9.9%
;武广高铁发送13.9万人,同比增幅达到68.7%,广珠城际发送8.2万,海南东环高铁发
送4.9万,广深城际铁路发送17.6万。(陈晓梅 黄晓山)
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Number of passengers delivered on Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR within Hubei Bureau was not disclosed yet, but my estimation is about 25k-30k. So together, the passenger volume of Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR should be close to that of Guangzhou-Shenzhen ICL on Saturday.
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深圳北站 Shenzhen North Railway Station to be opened in August
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Also: do all Chinese work 350 consecutive days in a year, or do any of them get free weekends?
My God! Where have you got this freaking nonsense? Is that what your "free" press tells you?
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We are mainly talking about migrant workers, who only gets off once a year, they don't really have "weekends" to travel home.
But now I hear that the people do not only travel once a year at New Year and the passenger count record of New Hare Year has not lasted till New Dragon Year: it was broken already on Labour Day.

So China has 11 days of public holiday per year. What are the other holidays? And are any other holidays accompanied by massive travel likely to break the records of New Hare Year and Labour Day?

Since Chinese are supposed to be entitled to 2 day weekend, are there any people who now travel mostly on holidays (various, not just New Year) who would frequently go home for weekends if travel were just a bit faster and more affordable?
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