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Old May 2nd, 2011, 10:58 AM   #2101
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 05:17 PM   #2102
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Since Chinese are supposed to be entitled to 2 day weekend, are there any people who now travel mostly on holidays (various, not just New Year) who would frequently go home for weekends if travel were just a bit faster and more affordable?
Many people went back to their hometowns on weekends before HSR was introduced. It all depends on the distance.

Some people have already switched to daily commuting. For instance, some Hangzhounese working in Shanghai used to go home on weekends before Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR opened, but they are now commuting between the two cities everyday. The extra cost is around $500, but they can rent out their condos in Shanghai and use that money to pay for the train rides, or save the rent if they don't have a condo in Shanghai. By taking the high speed train they actually spend less time on commuting than their many colleagues who live in Shanghai. There are also people commuting daily on Beijing-Tianjin ICL and other intercity lines.

That of course does not apply to migrant workers, since $400-500 is all they can make in a month, and they usually work far away from their hometowns.
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 05:41 PM   #2103
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^ currently on schedule.
No chance of being ahead of schedule by let's say... 5 days maybe?
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 08:26 PM   #2104
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Many people went back to their hometowns on weekends before HSR was introduced. It all depends on the distance.
Yes, and time and price.
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Some people have already switched to daily commuting. For instance, some Hangzhounese working in Shanghai used to go home on weekends before Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR opened, but they are now commuting between the two cities everyday. The extra cost is around $500, but they can rent out their condos in Shanghai and use that money to pay for the train rides, or save the rent if they don't have a condo in Shanghai. By taking the high speed train they actually spend less time on commuting than their many colleagues who live in Shanghai. There are also people commuting daily on Beijing-Tianjin ICL and other intercity lines.
Yes, and sometime in August Guangzhou-Shenzhen HSR shall open, also short enough for daily commute.
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That of course does not apply to migrant workers, since $400-500 is all they can make in a month, and they usually work far away from their hometowns.
So they can travel only a few times in a year. But even then, making HSR cheaper, keeping it faster than long distance buses or slow rails and making the wages of migrant workers higher would allow them to travel more holidays.

Qingming Festival did not break New Year passenger records. Is any passenger record expected on Dragon Boat Festival?
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Old May 2nd, 2011, 09:21 PM   #2105
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Qingming Festival did not break New Year passenger records. Is any passenger record expected on Dragon Boat Festival?
Not many people will be traveling during Qinming Festival because they suppose to visit their ancestors' graves, not sightseeing at tourist attractions. Duanwu Festival is too short to warrant large travel volumes. The reason Labor Day broke a record is because it's a four day long weekend, and vast majority of those people traveling are the urban middle class. I've never heard any typical migrant workers traveling back to their hometown more than once a year, no other holiday is long enough to justify a sometimes two to three day long round trip.
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Old May 3rd, 2011, 01:16 AM   #2106
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Not many people will be traveling during Qinming Festival because they suppose to visit their ancestors' graves, not sightseeing at tourist attractions
Yes, but they are not moving their ancestors to their homes.
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Duanwu Festival is too short to warrant large travel volumes. The reason Labor Day broke a record is because it's a four day long weekend, and vast majority of those people traveling are the urban middle class. I've never heard any typical migrant workers traveling back to their hometown more than once a year, no other holiday is long enough to justify a sometimes two to three day long round trip.
But while Labor Day is not a Golden Week, the National Holiday is.
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Old May 3rd, 2011, 05:41 PM   #2107
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But while Labor Day is not a Golden Week, the National Holiday is.
Yeah the National Day will yield some pretty significant numbers this year too.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 10:14 PM   #2108
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Some people have already switched to daily commuting. For instance, some Hangzhounese working in Shanghai used to go home on weekends before Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR opened, but they are now commuting between the two cities everyday. The extra cost is around $500, but they can rent out their condos in Shanghai and use that money to pay for the train rides, or save the rent if they don't have a condo in Shanghai. By taking the high speed train they actually spend less time on commuting than their many colleagues who live in Shanghai.
Did the additional trains from Shanghai to Hangzhou and Nanjing start in March?

How much shall the price of Shanghai-Hangzhou tickets be lowered in July? And shall the short distanc HSR trains require ID next month?
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Old May 7th, 2011, 02:50 AM   #2109
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Did the additional trains from Shanghai to Hangzhou and Nanjing start in March?
How much shall the price of Shanghai-Hangzhou tickets be lowered in July?
no idea.

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Beijing-Shanghai HSR to start trial operation on June 9th


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A few facts about Beijing-Shanghai HSR during trial operation
  • top speed 300km/h;
  • ID are required on all C, D and G trains starting June 1st;
  • There will be no non-stop train between Beijing and Shanghai. All trains between Beijing and Shanghai will at least stop at Nanjing South.

PS: The rumored C-trains will not be running on Shanghai-Nanjing ICL.

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Old May 7th, 2011, 06:07 AM   #2111
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any idea how long the fastest service will take to complete the journey?
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Old May 7th, 2011, 09:03 AM   #2112
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4 hours 40 minutes for non-stop train between Beijing and Shanghai.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 02:19 PM   #2113
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Anyone got some info on the exact fare of the Beijing-Shanghai HSR ?
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Old May 8th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #2114
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Beijing-Shanghai HSR to start trial operation on June 9th



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A few facts about Beijing-Shanghai HSR during trial operation
  • top speed 300km/h;
  • ID are required on all C, D and G trains starting June 1st;
  • There will be no non-stop train between Beijing and Shanghai. All trains between Beijing and Shanghai will at least stop at Nanjing South.

PS: The rumored C-trains will not be running on Shanghai-Nanjing ICL.
This means from the 9th of June passengers can use the line as well?
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Good more trains between Shanghai and Nanjing.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 12:01 AM   #2116
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This means from the 9th of June passengers can use the line as well?
Just read www.chinanews.com.
It quoted spokeman: Wang yongping from MOR that the
trial run (without payed passengers) will start this Wednesday May 11th. He did not say how much time
it takes for the trains to go from BJ to SH. But he said it would
run according to the planned schedule for regular service, which will start late June.

http://www.chinanews.com/cj/2011/05-09/3027661.shtml

I do not know if there is English translation of this news.
Also he said, that some services, such as Beijing Tianjin ICL,
will stay as 350 km/h top speed. If true, that is good news.

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This means from the 9th of June passengers can use the line as well?
Just read www.chinanews.com.
It quoted spokesman: Wang yongping from MOR that the
trial run (without payed passengers) will start this Wednesday May 11th. He did not say how much time
it takes for the trains to go from BJ to SH. But he said it would
run according to the planned schedule for regular service, which will start late June.

http://www.chinanews.com/cj/2011/05-09/3027661.shtml

I do not know if there is English translation of this news.
Also he said, that some services, such as Beijing Tianjin ICL,
will stay as 350 km/h top speed. If true, that is good news.

Cheers,
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I was just about to post his discussion with internet users. seems media are not very trustworthy on MoR reports.

there is an article in English on Shanghai Daily today regarding his online session with the public, but it does not cover much at all.

he said the price of Beijing-Shanghai HSR is yet to be released later. also he responded to the questions regarding privatization, although as usual his answers are ambiguous on this issue.

here is a full list of the questions by forumers along with his answers.
http://www.people.com.cn/GB/32306/14.../14589782.html
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