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Old April 8th, 2007, 10:23 AM   #221
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The official Chinese news media reports on the sixth speed increase nationwide,

here is a short excerpt of the report regarding high speed rail trainsets with the corresponding English translation below. This very long article of more than 1000 words did mention 75% of it is Chinese made but not a single word on where the technology is from.

  将在4月18日全国铁路第六次大面积提速中投入使用的时速200公里及以上动车组,因其技术新颖、速度飞快、并且以英文字母“D”打头,被人们亲切地称作头文字“D”列车,而这些首次被投入使用的“子弹头”动车组也成为此次提速最为抢眼的亮点所在。据悉,第六次大提速的新产品就是以开行城际间和城市群间动车组为主要标志的新产品服务,其速度目标值、技术含量、提速规模和范围都将超过我国前五次铁路提速。

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  有关专家告诉本报记者,此次推出时速200到250公里的动车组在引进消化创新的基础上,在集成、牵引、制动、车体、走行以及网络等关键技术上都有所创新,譬如我们生产的动车组,车体重量比传统客车减轻了一半。“动车组的国产化率达到了75%以上,可以说中国人已经掌握了时速200公里以上动车组的核心技术。”

  
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"Moved vehicle crew's domestic product rate to achieve above 75%, was allowed to say the Chinese already grasped above the speed 200 kilometers to move vehicle crew's core technology."
It's from some random newspaper (Shenzhen Special Zone News), you can't take it seriously can you?
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Old April 8th, 2007, 10:29 AM   #222
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It's from some random newspaper (Shenzhen Special Zone News), you can't take it seriously can you?
Well I don't know if there are tabloids in China, are there?
I thought there is a umbrella watchdog that is responsible for regulation of news services so social harmony and national interests can be preserved.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 10:52 AM   #223
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well there are TV stations (such as Shanghai TV) that report it is made jointly by a Chinese company and a Japanese consortium(quality journlism), while there are media that writes fancy stuff like "the trains' English name start with D, and they came to be known as the Initial D in the train world"<-seriously I have never heard of someone referring to them as Initial D.And they don't even start with D, I have no idea where they got that. I guess different opinions exist afterall and the educated people can choose to believe in the educated opinions the ignorant can remain ignorant, no?
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Old April 8th, 2007, 11:20 AM   #224
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Yep... national pride
I think its understandable
because in China national pride is everything

The Chinese media has this very important task
to use carefully-worded language
to lie in a clever way

Welcome to China
Come on. its just a discussion on the train. Nobody here claimed that they pride of the train. I donot care where the train comes from or who produced it. I just care we are improving our rail system. thats all .
and pls no more bullshit here. PLEASE
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Old April 8th, 2007, 11:38 AM   #225
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CRH5's design is REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I prefer CRH1.
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Old April 8th, 2007, 02:39 PM   #226
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CRH5's design is REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I prefer CRH1.
Best is CRH 2
Really pitiful it was produced in Japan and was put on to run the Nanjing route
Dunno who thought of this routing
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Old April 8th, 2007, 09:18 PM   #227
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http://tsearch.chinadaily.com.cn/was...hannelid=38056
China Daily is one of China's official English newspaper

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/20...ent_778019.htm
English Language official Chinese media is better in the way it admits using foreign technology

First, as China matures in its economic development and its status in the world rises, it's eager to prove it can meet its technology needs with a minimum of foreign assistance and develop its own brands.

Three Chinese manufacturers one each working together with Bombardier of Canada, Alstom of Germany and Kawasaki Heavy Industries of Japan won the bids to apply the technology provided by their foreign partners that will improve the locomotives' power and speed and a more comfortable ride.

Applying the foreign technology to the unique features of the Chinese rail system, China has forged its own brand of high-speed railway locomotive China Railway of High Speed (CRH) to which China owns intellectual property rights, said Zhang Shuguang, the ministry's deputy general engineer.

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Old April 8th, 2007, 09:24 PM   #228
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Best is CRH 2
Really pitiful it was produced in Japan and was put on to run the Nanjing route
Dunno who thought of this routing
The best is gonna be CRH3.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 12:25 AM   #229
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China Daily is one of China's official English newspaper

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/20...ent_778019.htm
English Language official Chinese media is better in the way it admits using foreign technology

First, as China matures in its economic development and its status in the world rises, it's eager to prove it can meet its technology needs with a minimum of foreign assistance and develop its own brands.

Three Chinese manufacturers one each working together with Bombardier of Canada, Alstom of Germany and Kawasaki Heavy Industries of Japan won the bids to apply the technology provided by their foreign partners that will improve the locomotives' power and speed and a more comfortable ride.

Applying the foreign technology to the unique features of the Chinese rail system, China has forged its own brand of high-speed railway locomotive China Railway of High Speed (CRH) to which China owns intellectual property rights, said Zhang Shuguang, the ministry's deputy general engineer.
So tell me how that is copying? Or are you taking back your word now?

Your argument is tenuous as best, but what can you do, you're only defending a troll's post.

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Just copy others technology and build your own version.
Then proclaim on the media as your own.
Not much to be proud of really
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Old April 9th, 2007, 02:17 AM   #230
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Just copy others technology and build your own version.
Then proclaim on the media as your own.
Not much to be proud of really
Why do people like you have to exist in this forum and stir up flames?

First never did China said this was built entirely themselves. If you watch one of the news videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q95ibDWA82c the news clearly states that it was built together with Japanese assitance using Shinkansen design. As mentioned countless times in this forum, the first batch of trains are all built by the country it originates and will be locally produced under license and in this case this E2 Shinkansen series is locally made.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 02:20 AM   #231
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Best is CRH 2
Really pitiful it was produced in Japan and was put on to run the Nanjing route
Dunno who thought of this routing

Move on, its the 21st century. How many years must Chinese dwell on this Nanjing Massacre/Japanese invasion thing? For a thousand years? Jews by Mercedes Benz and BMWs, American by Japanese and German Cars, heck even Koreans by Japanese products.
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Old April 9th, 2007, 02:23 AM   #232
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The official Chinese news media reports on the sixth speed increase nationwide,

here is a short excerpt of the report regarding high speed rail trainsets with the corresponding English translation below. This very long article of more than 1000 words did mention 75% of it is Chinese made but not a single word on where the technology is from.

  将在4月18日全国铁路第六次大面积提速中投入使用的时速200公里及以上动车组,因其技术新颖、速度飞快、并且以英文字母“D”打头,被人们亲切地称作头文字“D”列车,而这些首次被投入使用的“子弹头”动车组也成为此次提速最为抢眼的亮点所在。据悉,第六次大提速的新产品就是以开行城际间和城市群间动车组为主要标志的新产品服务,其速度目标值、技术含量、提速规模和范围都将超过我国前五次铁路提速。

 .......
  有关专家告诉本报记者,此次推出时速200到250公里的动车组在引进消化创新的基础上,在集成、牵引、制动、车体、走行以及网络等关键技术上都有所创新,譬如我们生产的动车组,车体重量比传统客车减轻了一半。“动车组的国产化率达到了75%以上,可以说中国人已经掌握了时速200公里以上动车组的核心技术。”

  
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"Moved vehicle crew's domestic product rate to achieve above 75%, was allowed to say the Chinese already grasped above the speed 200 kilometers to move vehicle crew's core technology."


The world uses paper and gunpowder all the time, must every city in the world who blow up fireworks in their sky mention that its a Chinese technology?
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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:15 AM   #233
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Move on, its the 21st century. How many years must Chinese dwell on this Nanjing Massacre/Japanese invasion thing? For a thousand years? Jews by Mercedes Benz and BMWs, American by Japanese and German Cars, heck even Koreans by Japanese products.
In China this is such a sensitive issue. By no means is the relationship between China and Japan good. The following protests happened last year, which is in the 21st century. Shanghai protesters wreaking havoc on Japanese embassy.





Remains of the Japanese embassy in Shanghai after widespread demonstrations














Japanese restaurants, despite wholly-owned by local Chinese, were not spared.


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Old April 9th, 2007, 11:51 AM   #235
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Haha

I'm really sorry to further discuss this stupid post which doesn't belong here...

...but this guy with the No-to-Japs sign is so funny! I mean, could he possibly be any more specific in his disliking of the other nation. Boy, is he to the point.

Anyway, lets move on with the CRH5 topic, which I find very interesting and try to keep this topic open. Is the CRH5 only intended for a particular route or many?

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A very violent bunch of people
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Old April 18th, 2007, 08:58 AM   #238
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4.18 China-rail Speed up!







Today .
The China-rail Speed up...
The railway about 6003km will be speed up to more than 200km/h
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I can't wait for the CRH3
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