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Old June 25th, 2011, 11:58 PM   #2541
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Some railfans are planning to hold two iPads with former railway minister Liu Kuayue and deputy chief engineer Zhang Shuguang's photos on the first train to Shanghai Hongqiao.

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Old June 26th, 2011, 12:07 AM   #2542
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lol, good one.

it might get too political. on the other hand, it is very rare that two Chinese officials accused of corruption still receive so much respect from fans.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 12:28 AM   #2543
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Have the schedule times and ticket prices of Wuhan-Guangzhou high speed railway after 1st of July been published?
yes. I thought it was already posted.

From Wuhan to Guangzhou:

current G train (350km/h) 2nd class: 490 RMB; 1st class: 780RMB
after July 1st,
G train (300km/h) 2nd class: 465 RMB; 1st class: 740 RMB
D train (250km/h) 2nd class: 330 RMB; 1st class: 530 RMB

there are only two pairs of D trains between Wuhan and Guangzhou (another 2 pairs between Wuhan and Changsha) on weekdays.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 12:46 AM   #2544
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Train on Shanghai-Nanjing ICL surpassing another train on Beijing-Shanghai HSR

It won't happen after July 1st any more.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjc5MjkzODEy.html
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Old June 26th, 2011, 01:05 AM   #2545
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Let's just compare the Tokaido Line with the Shanghai - Nanjing PDL -

Tokaido (Tokyo - Shin Osaka): 515 km, 17 stations (about 30 km per station)
Shanghai - Nanjing: 301 km, 31 stations (about 10 km per station)

The Shanghai - Nanjing PDL is just over half as long, and has under twice many stations compared to the Tokaido.
Looking for similar length stretches:
Tokyo-Nagoya on Tokaido Shinkansen, 342 km, has 11 intermediate stations (28,5 km per station)
Tokyo-Sendai on Tohoku Shinkansen, 325 km, 9 intermediate stations (32,5 km per station)
Tokyo-Niigata on Joetsu Shinkansen, 301 km, 10 intermediate stations (27 km per station)
Osaka-Hiroshima on Sanyo Shinkansen, 306 km, 10 intermediate stations (28 km per station)

6 intermediate stations on Shanghai-Beijing high speed railway between Hongqiao and Nanjing South, at about 43 km per station, is not too much.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 01:05 AM   #2546
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In order to gain a more well informed perspective, please read this story below ... ...


OFF Topic:


BTW, in a nation that is heavily tilted towards serving the CEO and the Super Rich instead of the Main Street,
say USA for example, please read this story below ... ...


Regular Main Street people are forced to slow down when the FAT CAT Wall Street are passing by.



My question is ... ...
Does this kneeling down towards <FAT CAT Wall Street> happen in China airspace too?



SOURCE: SLATE
LINK: http://www.slate.com/id/2297400?wpisrc=xs_wp_0001
Sorry but the slate article is simply incorrect in its assumptions. The growth in US air travel over the past 30 years is the cause of increased congestion. Reality is that private jet aircraft (while subsonic) travel a bit faster than their boeing and airbus sourced brethren. Furthermore, this jet traffic doesnt use the same altitudes as commercial traffic so the notion that a commercial airliner is stuck behind some corporate fat cat is nothing more than a feeble attempt at populism....

but I agree with you, this is completely off topic in a thread about chinese rail...
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Old June 26th, 2011, 05:00 AM   #2547
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Train on Shanghai-Nanjing ICL surpassing another train on Beijing-Shanghai HSR

It won't happen after July 1st any more.
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjc5MjkzODEy.html
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Old June 26th, 2011, 08:36 AM   #2548
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yes. I thought it was already posted.

From Wuhan to Guangzhou:

current G train (350km/h) 2nd class: 490 RMB; 1st class: 780RMB
after July 1st,
G train (300km/h) 2nd class: 465 RMB; 1st class: 740 RMB
D train (250km/h) 2nd class: 330 RMB; 1st class: 530 RMB

there are only two pairs of D trains between Wuhan and Guangzhou (another 2 pairs between Wuhan and Changsha) on weekdays.
Thanks!

But what shall the trip times be, Guangzhou-Wuhan?
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Old June 26th, 2011, 08:54 AM   #2549
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Thanks!

But what shall the trip times be, Guangzhou-Wuhan?
current G train: 3 hrs 16 mins(one stop in Changsha South) to 3 hrs 57 minutes(6 intermediate stops)
after July 1st,
G train: 3 hrs 33 mins to 4 hrs 11 mins
D train: 5 hrs 57 mins and 6 hrs 6 mins
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Old June 26th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #2550
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current G train: 3 hrs 16 mins(one stop in Changsha South) to 3 hrs 57 minutes(6 intermediate stops)
after July 1st,
G train: 3 hrs 33 mins to 4 hrs 11 mins
D train: 5 hrs 57 mins and 6 hrs 6 mins
Thanks - it gives the idea of the effects!

Mere 17 minute loss for express trains and 14 minutes for stopping trains!

For comparison, the fastest train on slow speed line Guangzhou to Wuhan Wuchang, T264/T265 (which goes on to Lhasa) takes 10:17, and costs RMB137 for seat, RMB236...RMB253 for hard sleeper, RMB367/RMB383 for soft sleeper.

At RMB 330 for second class seats and 5:57 trip time, will the D trains compete well against sleepers on 10+ hour T trains?
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Old June 26th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #2551
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Looking for similar length stretches:
Tokyo-Nagoya on Tokaido Shinkansen, 342 km, has 11 intermediate stations (28,5 km per station)
Tokyo-Sendai on Tohoku Shinkansen, 325 km, 9 intermediate stations (32,5 km per station)
Tokyo-Niigata on Joetsu Shinkansen, 301 km, 10 intermediate stations (27 km per station)
Osaka-Hiroshima on Sanyo Shinkansen, 306 km, 10 intermediate stations (28 km per station)

6 intermediate stations on Shanghai-Beijing high speed railway between Hongqiao and Nanjing South, at about 43 km per station, is not too much.
Ah, Shanghai - Beijing, silly me.

I suppose one could squeeze in 1 or 2 all stopping trains per hour between the half a dozen direct trains, but then for each stopping train you are sacrificing rather a few direct train paths. Bare in mind this corridor is used for trains not only to Beijing, but to Zhengzhou, Xi'an; Wuhan, Chengdu, Chongqing, etc, and there will easily be demand for more than a dozen direct trains per hour between Shanghai/Hongqiao and Nanjing/South, and there'd be no paths left for the slow trains. On the other hand if the stoppers ran on the Shanghai - Nanjing PDL (which has a spur connecting to Nanjing South) there'd be minimal impact on overall line capacity.

Currently the 'small' stations are served by slowing down the long distance trains. Those stations see a skeleton service and long distance passengers suffer slow journeys, which is a lose-lose situation. The best way to run the services is to have frequent trunk services stopping at the major stations only, with small stations served by frequent feeder services connecting with the trunk services.
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Old June 26th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #2552
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On the other hand if the stoppers ran on the Shanghai - Nanjing PDL (which has a spur connecting to Nanjing South) there'd be minimal impact on overall line capacity.
Where does the spur line go?
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Old June 26th, 2011, 02:24 PM   #2553
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Where does the spur line go?
Wikipedia is your friend

Beijing - Shanghai HSR
Beijing - Shanghai HSR(in English)

Shanghai - Nanjing PDL
Shanghai - Nanjing PDL (in English)

The Chinese articles have more detailed route diagrams.

As you know between Shanghai and Nanjing these two lines follow different alignments, with the Shanghai-Beijing HSR using Nanjing South and Shanghai-Nanjing PDL primarily using Nanjing. There is a spur connecting the Shanghai-Nanjing PDL to Nanjing South, which means it's possible to run feeder services on the PDL for onward fast connections to destinations like Beijing.
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Metro Section of Shenzhen North Station Opened
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Old June 26th, 2011, 05:01 PM   #2555
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Metro Section of Shenzhen North Station Opened
Thanks!

When shall high-speed railway section Shenzhen North-Guangzhou South open?
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Old June 26th, 2011, 05:16 PM   #2556
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When shall high-speed railway section Shenzhen North-Guangzhou South open?
August 8.
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China Railway 12th Bureau started laying its first 900-ton box-girder on Guiyang-Guangzhou PDL



The line was re-designed with a minimum curve radius of 5,500 m, but with box-girders of 900 tons and 4.8 meters between the track centers, it is possible to run trains at over 300km/h in the future.
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China Railway 12th Bureau started laying its first 900-ton box-girder
The line was re-designed with a minimum curve radius of 5,500 m,
Which line is it?
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I edited the post. I thought I was replying to post 2272, but forgot to quote it.
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