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Old July 7th, 2011, 03:27 AM   #2621
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World's longest and second longest bridges on Beijing-Shanghai HSR



World's longest bridge: Danyang-Kunshan Grand Bridge (164km )

section over Yangcheng lake, pics by jackdjy













World's second longest bridge: Tianjin Grand Bridge (113.7 km)
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Old July 7th, 2011, 09:54 AM   #2622
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CRH sleepers

The Shanghai-Beijing night D trains are reported to have been shut down.

Do the trains lie idle in depots, or serve some other lines now at night?
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Old July 7th, 2011, 02:22 PM   #2623
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I am sorry the content below is rather off topic.
My last post on this issue.




That is one of the primary huge cultural problem in China.
Frankly, it is a National Embarrassment.



99% of people in China tend to look the OTHER way when <a CRIME or a VIOLATION is in PROGRESS>.

Time and time again, I received some strange and weird looks from other surrounding passengers when
I challenged the violators for <lifting one's feet up, and smoking, and allowing children to urinate on the CRH trains>.


No one dare to STAND - UP and STEP - UP and CHALLENGE the violators and make the violators be
accountable for their actions.
These same people above are so inept that they are brain dead in their responds.

No one has to be a hero.
They can just simply QUIETLY -- DIAL 110 and report the <CRIME in PROGRESS>.
But, 99% of people in China do NOT act this way.




And then, some of the same COWARD people above are blaming the PRC central government for not managing the nation properly.
Plus, many of the same coward people above (mostly born before 1980) are migrating to
the west or acquiring a green card as soon as they have the means,
as an insurance just in case, China is imploding from within from the lack of rule of law enforcement.


What use is the <RULE of LAW> if no one dare to ENFORCE it (including the government officials in charge and
<a BIG SIGNIFICANT --- "AND">
the regular citizens on the street who witness the crime and violations)???


There is a famous saying roughly translated as <"Only Sweep the Snow in Front of Your Own Door.">
This saying carries such a LOSER tag, because at the end of the day, everybody suffers because of the crime and violations performed by violators.


Another National Embarrassment.
I personally feel only less than 5% of people in China respect Public Property and regard CRH trains as National Treasure.


My 3 cents guesses is this FEAR of ENFORCEMENT maybe deeply rooted in the historical way
the idiotic emperors in exterminating everybody related to the executed clan or family or
maybe related to the idiotic 1960 Chairman Mao Cultural Revolution.


I am sorry that I am offending many people.
But, certain things need to be express clearly and clarified.
BTW, I personally feel that <eating dog, smoking, and drinking excessively <alcohol content higher than 23%> are very backward and primitive behaviors.
Clearly you have been to China recently as what you describe does not exist except in extreme cases. Of course, they are still behind in certain issues mainly human rights; freedom of press, etc. But, the country also have lifted 300-400 million people out of poverty.

Also, you comment "Only Sweep the Snow in Front of Your Own Door" can be applied in western countries too; I too know people who will look the other when someone commits an offense; this happens everywhere not just in China. Don't be ignorant.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 03:21 PM   #2624
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The Shanghai-Beijing night D trains are reported to have been shut down.

Do the trains lie idle in depots, or serve some other lines now at night?
I guess they'll have been transferred elsewhere, as there are a lot of railway lines and not even enough trains
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Old July 7th, 2011, 05:56 PM   #2625
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Fantastic the pictures of the bridges
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Old July 7th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #2626
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Nice updates, fragel. Thanks.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 01:32 AM   #2627
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China's high-speed rail better than Shinkansen

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A spokesman of the Ministry of Railways (MOR) said Thursday that China's high-speed rail technologies are much better than those used by Japan's Shinkansen Line.

The remarks by the MOR spokesman, Wang Yongping, came after Japanese company Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd. threatened to take action if China files for patents on high-speed trains made using Japanese technologies.

"The Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway and Japan's Shinkansen line cannot be mentioned in the same breath, as many of the technological indicators used by China's high-speed railways are far better than those used in Japan's Shinkansen," Wang said, rejecting the Japanese accusation of pirating.

"We Chinese will not claim technologies owned by others as our own. And we will never give up our rights to file patent applications for innovations developed through our efforts and wisdom because of others' irresponsible remarks," he said.

The China-developed CRH380A series trains, running on the 1,318-km Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway, are different from the CRH2 trains, which were jointly manufactured by China and Japan based on the imported technologies from Kawasaki Heavy Industries, according to the MOR.

Many of the technological indicators of the CRH380A trains are better, with their power raised to 9,600 kw from the CRH2 trains' 4,800 kw, speed increased to 380 kmph from 200-250 kmph and derailment coefficient lowered to 0.13 from CRH2 trains' 0.73.

Wang said the intellectual property rights of China's high-speed railways are undoubtedly mastered by China itself.

The key technology regarding trains lies in the relationship between the wheels and the rail, which is decided by the bogie, or the driving wheel technology of railroad transportation, he noted.

The bogie technology used in China's high-speed railways differs from those in other countries and is now under China's national patent protection, he said.

According to the MOR, more than 1,900 items of technologies used in China's high-speed railway have been granted patents while the patent applications of 481 other technologies are still under review.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 02:03 AM   #2628
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I would quite like to see both technologies openly compared so that this irritating debate can be settled once and for all, unfortunately, neither side is going do to that, I think.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 06:38 AM   #2629
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I say we wait 47 years before they start comparing China to Japanese HSR.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 08:48 AM   #2630
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I would quite like to see both technologies openly compared so that this irritating debate can be settled once and for all, unfortunately, neither side is going do to that, I think.
Well, I would say that Japanese shinkansen technology is already open for comparison and has been for 40+ years, look at the wealth of information available on the internet including youtube, as well as numerous professional publications as well as extensive coverage over the years in Japanese railfan magazines (does China even have railfan magazines?). Japanese railway companies open their railway maintenance facilties every year to the public for free- you can go see for yourself close-up of the mechanics and maintenance procedures involved in keeping HSR trains running. And lets not forget the 40+ years of operation w/o a single passenger fatality, and this with numerous earthquakes. Now Japanese shinkansen technology speaks for itself (as well as operations and marketing- which is just as important as these trains must run in free-market economies). Saying ours is better than theirs is just a pissing contest, and comparing a new design to the CRH2 (E2 shinkansen) is just apples to oranges- the CRH is an old design- of course it will be an upgrade, adding KW to a design is easy, increasing energy efficiency and reducing environmental impact is true engineering prowess.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:29 AM   #2631
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The Shanghai-Beijing night D trains are reported to have been shut down.

Do the trains lie idle in depots, or serve some other lines now at night?
they are running on Beijing-Shanghai HSR, with some berths changed to seats.
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Test to start on Harbin-Dalian HSR in August

total length: 904km

Construction started in August 2007. The line is planned to open by the end of this year.

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Not really bothered. Just more National level willy waving.
The French will say TGV/AGV is the best...etc since they hold the speed record

Of course there will be differences in technology but HSR is more than that. It is efficient transport, rapid transport, different things to different people. Who cares if my train has a gazilion kW of power? What matters most is safety, punctuality at an affordable cost.

I say we should just enjoy the development of HSR
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Old July 8th, 2011, 08:14 PM   #2634
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they are running on Beijing-Shanghai HSR, with some berths changed to seats.
Does it mean they were slowed down and are runninng as Z and T trains?
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Does it mean they were slowed down and are runninng as Z and T trains?

they are still D trains at top speed 0f 250 km/h. there is no Z and T train on the HSR.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:34 PM   #2638
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In Japan and Germany, the next will not offer a Technology to China.
ODA to China is a stop, too.

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Old July 8th, 2011, 09:44 PM   #2639
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they are still D trains at top speed 0f 250 km/h. there is no Z and T train on the HSR.
Ah, I see. Do they offer night services on the HSR?
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Old July 8th, 2011, 10:13 PM   #2640
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This is just great, one can go from Harbin to Hong Kong via high speed rail. Crazy...

This map lacks another huge line to Urumqi.
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