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Old July 8th, 2011, 11:13 PM   #2641
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2020???

Which parts of this network are forecast by December 2011?

Any progress reports on:
Dalian-Shenyang-Harbin (Qinhuangdao-Shenyang, at 250 km/h, is in service)
Guangzhou-Longhua
Longhua-Xiamen
Wuhan-Yichang
Wuhan-Zhengzhou-Shijiazhuang-Beijing?
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Old July 8th, 2011, 11:25 PM   #2642
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2020???

Which parts of this network are forecast by December 2011?

Any progress reports on:
Dalian-Shenyang-Harbin (Qinhuangdao-Shenyang, at 250 km/h, is in service)
Guangzhou-Longhua
Longhua-Xiamen
Wuhan-Yichang
Wuhan-Zhengzhou-Shijiazhuang-Beijing?
Dalian-Harbin is opening for tests in August. See:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2625

Guangzhou-Longhua will open next month, 08-08 in preparation for the Universiade.

All the other ones are scheduled to open next year.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 01:05 AM   #2643
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Ah, I see. Do they offer night services on the HSR?
No.

I don't think it would be easy to operate night trains due to the vertical maintenance window on the HSR. Ideally, Beijing-Shanghai HSR needs a maintenance window as short as 3 hours. In practice it needs more time for maintenance.

There are not enough night trains on the Beijing-Shanghai conventional line after July 1st. The remaining few night trains are so packed that they remind me of green skins during holiday seasons.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 09:54 AM   #2644
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No.

I don't think it would be easy to operate night trains due to the vertical maintenance window on the HSR. Ideally, Beijing-Shanghai HSR needs a maintenance window as short as 3 hours. In practice it needs more time for maintenance.

There are not enough night trains on the Beijing-Shanghai conventional line after July 1st.
How does the slow speed railway manage to operate night trains in the first place? When are its maintenance windows?
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Old July 9th, 2011, 11:15 AM   #2645
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How does the slow speed railway manage to operate night trains in the first place? When are its maintenance windows?
on the conventional line they adopt V-type window time for maintenance, which means they close one direction for maintenance while the other direction is still in operation. On HSRs they adopt vertical window time, which means they have to close both directions for maintenance and then makes it hard to arrange overnight trains on HSRs at the moment.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 06:21 PM   #2646
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Chinese-made bullet train goes abroad for first time
10:47, July 08, 2011
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According to CSR Cooperation Limited, China will export 228 bullet trains to Malaysia to develop intercity transportation for Kuala Lumpur, signifying CRH China Railway High-Speed bullet train is going abroad for the first time.

So far, this is the biggest deal signed for the Chinese domestically-made bullet train. This set of train is specially coordinated according to the track gauge standard in Malaysia and is three tons lighter than other trains of the same kind, saving approximately 20,000 kilowatt hours of electricity per year.

As the transportation hub of the entire country, Kuala Lumpur shares the largest percentage of public transportation trip. After put into operation, the bullet train will provide considerable convenience to the local people.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 07:02 PM   #2647
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Chinese-made bullet train goes abroad for first time
10:47, July 08, 2011
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According to CSR Cooperation Limited, China will export 228 bullet trains to Malaysia to develop intercity transportation for Kuala Lumpur, signifying CRH China Railway High-Speed bullet train is going abroad for the first time.

So far, this is the biggest deal signed for the Chinese domestically-made bullet train. This set of train is specially coordinated according to the track gauge standard in Malaysia and is three tons lighter than other trains of the same kind, saving approximately 20,000 kilowatt hours of electricity per year.

As the transportation hub of the entire country, Kuala Lumpur shares the largest percentage of public transportation trip. After put into operation, the bullet train will provide considerable convenience to the local people.
I don't think these are high speed trains, as in the Malaysia Railway & China High Speed Trainset threads it's regular EMUs that are being built in China and shipped.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #2648
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Why it doesn't specify what trains will be sold to Malaysia?
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Old July 10th, 2011, 12:25 AM   #2649
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they are intercity EMUs running up to 140 km/h, not really high speed trainsets.

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Old July 10th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #2650
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Which model is it? And is it really 140km/h? I thought most non-HS EMUs run at a maximum speed of 160km/h-200km/h these days.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 01:01 AM   #2651
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I don't have much information on the model info. but indeed it says 140km/h on CSR's website as well.

http://www.gofront.com/Zoe/ddcz/2011...iDaoLiChe.htm#
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Old July 10th, 2011, 01:17 AM   #2652
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Economist Nouriel Roubini talking about his ride on Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR

Let's see how many mistakes you can find in his short comment:
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"I was recently in Shanghai and I took their high-speed train to Hangzhou," he said, referring to the new Maglev line that has cut traveling time between the two cities to less than an hour from four hours previously.

"The brand new high-speed train is half-empty and the brand new station is three-quarters empty. Parallel to that train line, there is a also a new highway that looked three-quarters empty. Next to the train station is also the new local airport of Shanghai and you can fly to Hangzhou," he said.

"There is no rationale for a country at that level of economic development to have not just duplication but triplication of those infrastructure projects."
read more on reuters

It is pretty late to respond to this article which was published almost a month ago. But it is so hilarious that I cannot help quoting it, especially after I saw some pics taken today.

Hongqiao Railway Station on July 9th, pic taken and posted by nixon on ourail.com



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Old July 10th, 2011, 01:38 AM   #2653
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Economist Nouriel Roubini talking about his ride on Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR
What is he smoking? There's no maglev to Hangzhou from Shanghai
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Old July 10th, 2011, 01:46 AM   #2654
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Can you fly from Hangzhou to Shanghai? It's only like 150km i.e. pretty much a commuter distance with a HSR.

Anyway, I think its best if people do not attempt to comment on things they do not understand if they don't want to make fools out of themselves.. I guess a few hours spent reading Wikipedia or, better, this thread would have helped Mr. Roubini to get some understanding of those subjects.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 05:10 AM   #2655
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Beijing to cut HSR investments

http://thestandard.com.hk/news_detai...=20110708&fc=8
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Old July 10th, 2011, 05:44 AM   #2656
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whether the reuters report is correct is one issue, but PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE THE ARTICLE TITLE AT YOUR WILL
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Old July 10th, 2011, 05:56 AM   #2657
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Considering another report by Reuters (starring N.Roubini) I say we shall take it with a considerable amount of reservation.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 06:10 AM   #2658
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Which model is it? And is it really 140km/h? I thought most non-HS EMUs run at a maximum speed of 160km/h-200km/h these days.
Metre gauge, 140 km/h.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 06:24 AM   #2659
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Old July 10th, 2011, 06:35 AM   #2660
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What is he smoking? There's no maglev to Hangzhou from Shanghai
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Can you fly from Hangzhou to Shanghai? It's only like 150km i.e. pretty much a commuter distance with a HSR.

Anyway, I think its best if people do not attempt to comment on things they do not understand if they don't want to make fools out of themselves.. I guess a few hours spent reading Wikipedia or, better, this thread would have helped Mr. Roubini to get some understanding of those subjects.

Here are some obvious mistakes imo:

1. The HSR is not maglev, as is pointed out by Nozumi; Mr. Roubini probably heard about the proposed maglev line.
2. There is no commercial flight between Shanghai and Hangzhou, as Pansori suspected; who would take a flight when a 169km train ride only takes 45 minutes and costs $12?
3. The HSR cuts the travel time from previous 78 minutes to 45 minutes;
4. Hongqiao Airport is not a 'new local' airport; Mr. Roubini probably did not know Hongqiao Airport was the only international airport in Shanghai before Pudong Airport was built;
5. The 'Highway' parallel to the HSR is not new either. Shanghai-Hangzhou expressway opened in 1998.

As for the 'empty' remarks, well 'empty' is a subjective concept, but I think the photos speak for themselves.
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