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Old July 24th, 2011, 01:46 AM   #2761
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What is the point in having a train driver if they don't have the sensors to stop in time? At 250+ km/hr, the human eye and brain does not have a fast enough reaction time to stop when they seem something on the tracks a km ahead. Can they install a radar in the nose of the train to look for objects on the tracks before human eyes?

Another thought: pictures of the HSR show the train driver has NO seatbelt! Thus, if he hits the emergency stop button, it is going to throw him through the window. That split-second of indecision/reluctance could have cost lives. Airplane pilots wear seatbelts, why not train drivers?
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Old July 24th, 2011, 01:59 AM   #2762
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few weeks ago Chinese Railways Ministry claimed its rail tech superior to Japan's

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...ml%3Cbr%20/%3E

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Old July 24th, 2011, 02:34 AM   #2763
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this is the worst kind of accident that could ever happen, because it could have been prevented. wait for more details, 'cause what happened just did not make sense.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 02:39 AM   #2764
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32 died and 191 wounded in this accident, If the ATS system detects a signal fault the train will stop automatically, rather than slow down, so if not human fault, reason for this incident is only likely to be ATS crash occured to the following train, the unenlightened signal is unable to renew, system hardware or software failure. All in all this accident is simply incredible.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 02:42 AM   #2765
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Wenzhou People line up to donate blood at the hospital

Very, very touching.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 02:52 AM   #2766
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this is the worst kind of accident that could ever happen, because it could have been prevented. wait for more details, 'cause what happened just did not make sense.
yes, hope people can learn the lesson and it would never happen again.
May all the dead rest in peace.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 02:54 AM   #2767
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D301: CRH1-046B
D3115: CRH2-139E
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Old July 24th, 2011, 04:32 AM   #2768
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An enormous disaster for the HSR in China, i guess really a lot of people have lost confidence in the system now.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 04:34 AM   #2769
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32 died and 191 wounded in this accident, If the ATS system detects a signal fault the train will stop automatically, rather than slow down, so if not human fault, reason for this incident is only likely to be ATS crash occured to the following train, the unenlightened signal is unable to renew, system hardware or software failure. All in all this accident is simply incredible.
I agree, with so many safety systems in place it has to take the combination of total failure of all systems to allow this to happen. It's just like the Air France AF447 crash, it only happens in a "perfect storm."
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Old July 24th, 2011, 04:50 AM   #2770
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An enormous disaster for the HSR in China, i guess really a lot of people have lost confidence in the system now.
Sure. It is not only about dead (R.I.P.) and ijured people, it's a great shame for the super train system of China.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:07 AM   #2771
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33 died 191 wounded by 8:00 AM, Chinese television Zhejiang TV is showing a 24 hours Live Report,









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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:28 AM   #2772
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As of 10 AM, 35 died, 201 wounded

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the accident happens near urban of Wenzhou City, Citizens line up in hospital for blood donation








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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:46 AM   #2773
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I hate to say this but it appears that carriages performed rather well in this situation, if the trains were constructed as shobby as people have alleged, then this huge impact will produce fatalities well into the triple digits (a couple D3115 carriages that fell off the bridge were said to be packed).
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Old July 24th, 2011, 05:54 AM   #2774
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oh damn......RIP
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Old July 24th, 2011, 07:16 AM   #2775
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Sure. It is not only about dead (R.I.P.) and ijured people, it's a great shame for the super train system of China.
I feel sad for victims especially in this sort of accident where you have no control at all.

This is indeed a big shame to China. Japan has probably operated high speed rail for a much longer time and still maintains a perfect safety record? Can say goodbye to those plans to export high speed rail to US + other countries. Really reminds people that "Made in China" is still not up to standard.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 07:30 AM   #2777
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Can say goodbye to those plans to export high speed rail to US + other countries. Really reminds people that "Made in China" is still not up to standard.
I don't think Chinese trains stand a chance from the begining, regardless of safety record, provided that CAHSR actually gets built. On the other hand, in your line of thinking then German product is not up to standard since they had worse accidents in both convential HSR and maglev.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 07:43 AM   #2778
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I feel sad for victims especially in this sort of accident where you have no control at all.

This is indeed a big shame to China. Japan has probably operated high speed rail for a much longer time and still maintains a perfect safety record? Can say goodbye to those plans to export high speed rail to US + other countries. Really reminds people that "Made in China" is still not up to standard.
YOu should say a shame to the global HSR industry, as China is the only real market of HSR and the CHinese trains are actually fruits of international cooperation, with technics and components from nearly every morden country.

I remember the seats of CRH2 is made in USA, includes safty belts
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Old July 24th, 2011, 07:49 AM   #2779
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YOu should say a shame to the global HSR industry, as China is the only real market of HSR and the CHinese trains are actually fruits of international cooperation, with technics and components from nearly every morden country.

I remember the seats of CRH2 is made in USA, includes safty belts
the chinese were the ones operating these trains, though, and if it is the fault of international manufacturers then the chinese shouldve still inspected and detected flaws before this tragedy occured.

to those who died, may you rest in peace.
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Old July 24th, 2011, 07:55 AM   #2780
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I remember the seats of CRH2 is made in USA, includes safty belts

They have safety belts on a HSR system????
For what purpose ????????
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