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Old July 25th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #2821
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Good thing is this accident doesn't shake people's confidence on CRH

Beijing South railway station today.

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Old July 25th, 2011, 02:28 PM   #2822
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For the French speakers : http://bigbrowser.blog.lemonde.fr/20...u-web-chinois/

Lots of indignation on the Chinese web about the burying of the carriages and the personal effects of the people that died inside them.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 02:52 PM   #2823
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They would have to switch off ATP for low-speed manoeuvring

Eg. going in and out of depots with no signalling.
I am not going to pretend how the PRC system works but ATC and ATP are usually installed on the rail and signals are fed directly into the control with no switches.

In Japan the override can only be issued at central command that monitors all trains.
Is there no central command in the PRC system?
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Old July 25th, 2011, 03:15 PM   #2824
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I am not going to pretend how the PRC system works but ATC and ATP are usually installed on the rail and signals are fed directly into the control with no switches.

In Japan the override can only be issued at central command that monitors all trains.
Is there no central command in the PRC system?
No we have central command in Chinese system, and every railway bereau has their own dispartch center
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Old July 25th, 2011, 03:18 PM   #2825
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It wasnt three minutes after a passenger pulled the emergency brake that the collision occured, it occured 23 minutes after the train lost power and came to stop.

The carriages have now been buried near the crash scene rather than taken away for study, reportedly the government said it was to keep their technological secrets from the general populace.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 03:32 PM   #2826
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the government said it was to keep their technological secrets from the general populace.
did't see the report in Chinese forums, but in yesterdays conference, the official explaination is

  
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“他告诉我,不是想掩埋,事实上这个事情是无法掩埋的,”王勇平说,对于为什么要掩埋,他们给出了这样的解释。“因为当时在现场抢险的情况,环境非常复杂,下面是一个泥塘,施展开来很不方便,还要对其他的车体进行处理,所以他们把车头埋在下面,盖上土,主要是便于抢险。”
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Old July 25th, 2011, 03:37 PM   #2827
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Obviously major f*** ** by the command center. Shuting of the ATP is just brilliant, great work lads However this is not unexpected in an autocratic society where individual thinking is surpressed
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Old July 25th, 2011, 03:44 PM   #2828
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Obviously major f*** ** by the command center. Shuting of the ATP is just brilliant, great work lads However this is not unexpected in an autocratic society where individual thinking is surpressed
Oh, surpressed...... yes, But chinese website are now full of anger about the incident right now, includes official medias are questioning various of explanations and infomations published by MOR.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #2829
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I realise this is quite a heated issue, however, we don't want to go the route of the skybar with insults flying around. Lets keep the discussion as apolitical as we can guys so that we can discuss this tragedy respectfully.

Thanks everyone. The information posted thus far has been interesting.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #2830
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Shares in the two train manufacturers down 10% today, property companies also down 4% due to close association between property development and railway construction.Overall 3% fall in Chinas stock market, largest fall in 6 months.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 06:11 PM   #2831
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Rest in peace for people who died.

First of all, each accident should have taken extremely seriously and everything should be done to prevent it happening again. In this regard, I am glad some people are fired so other people will take their jobs much more seriously.

I just hope this accident does not create a situation where high speed network affected negatively in mid/long term. This accident happened on an upgraded line and with first generation trains so does not really tell that much about the new high speed network. Still together with other glitches, naturally, it will create some doubts. I am not expecting passenger numbers decreasing but it may affect some policies.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 06:42 PM   #2832
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I just hope from this accident they learn the dangers of rushing projects through, and also that of manual operation of trains when electronic systems go wrong. If something goes wrong, just stop the trains running - it's better to deal with angry passengers stuck at stations than to deal with dead ones and their families.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 06:54 PM   #2833
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The burial of remains of the dead and wreckage, allegedly done hastily, if confirmed, would have been totally abhorrent and appalling. That is the type of procedure you use to contain an epidemic of Ebola, not to treat an accident, maybe crime scene!
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Old July 25th, 2011, 07:31 PM   #2834
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Old July 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #2835
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Old July 25th, 2011, 08:51 PM   #2836
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/chinas-effo...104743216.html

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Old July 25th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #2837
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Hello guys,

I was offline through the days so I can only now thank you for the informations.
After all, I am not happy about the disaster itself (R.I.P.), but I'm happy about the main cause of that. You may ask why? Since in this case it is clear that signaling and train control system is reliable when it's working, and it is much easier to force people to do they job properly than rebuild the signaling system in all the Chinese high-speed network and have very strict safety rules until it happens.

Note that it must be possible for trains to go even without signaling - but only in a very very slow way. Usually enabled speed in this case should be 25-40 km/h. By this speed the driver is able to stop his train when he catches the other one in sight.
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Old July 25th, 2011, 09:26 PM   #2838
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Wow, just learned their not just burying the carriages intact (One response to the burying allegations from the government is their burying the carriages for site access reasons, so that they can bring in heavy vehicles to the site and will excavate them later), their breaking them up and crushing them first!
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Old July 25th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #2839
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why is there a need to bury the carriages?
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Old July 25th, 2011, 11:44 PM   #2840
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Hello guys,

I was offline through the days so I can only now thank you for the informations.
After all, I am not happy about the disaster itself (R.I.P.), but I'm happy about the main cause of that. You may ask why? Since in this case it is clear that signaling and train control system is reliable when it's working, and it is much easier to force people to do they job properly than rebuild the signaling system in all the Chinese high-speed network and have very strict safety rules until it happens.
I'm 100% with you, I'm glad that the problem is with people not the technology. In this case they should not only punish the operator who overrode the system, but more importantly the manager who made the call. As of yesterday the lines has already been reopened, with other D trains drive slowly pass the scene, it's a bizzard picture.
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