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Old March 25th, 2012, 05:14 AM   #3721
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London DLR too. It gos on elevated bridges in places but also underground (even under the river Thames) where needed.
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Old March 25th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #3722
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I have never seen it done.

If Maglevs cant change grades like ordinary trains can right? Still not completely familiar with Maglev concept.

Any pictures of maglev running underground?

As you can see here, maglev change change track just like conventional trains, and they can certainly go underground.

My problem with maglev running in a tunnel is the air pressure build up, in the Japanese example the tunnel is much larger than the train so it's less of a problem, but I'd imagine it's gonna be super expensive to bore a huge tunnel through Shanghai, let along the public outcry about perceived safety problems regarding buildings foundations.

It's no question that HSR can go through tunnel, but not extremely long ones at high speed, one of the example would be Shenzhen-Hongkong line which is entirely underground but speed is capped at 200km/h. So instead of going through downtown Shanghai, if all we are looking for is a quick link between the two airports, why not just an express line that go around Southern Shanghai on elevated tracks at full speed?
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Old March 25th, 2012, 12:34 PM   #3723
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I think that for China there is no problem to remove several buildings from the way.


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Old March 25th, 2012, 05:15 PM   #3724
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why not just an express line that go around Southern Shanghai on elevated tracks at full speed?
Because Shanghai really needs express lines going from the center to the airports. So extending the Maglev to the center and from there to Hongqiao, you create a much larger market for the line than just a Pudong-Hongqiao line.

And yes, with the air pressure etc., the speed in a tunnel would probably be restricted to around 200 km/h, but with the limited stops (maybe only one in the center) even 200 km/h will give you a very short travel time.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 03:56 AM   #3725
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Old March 26th, 2012, 04:01 AM   #3726
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Old March 26th, 2012, 08:39 AM   #3727
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Because Shanghai really needs express lines going from the center to the airports. So extending the Maglev to the center and from there to Hongqiao, you create a much larger market for the line than just a Pudong-Hongqiao line.

And yes, with the air pressure etc., the speed in a tunnel would probably be restricted to around 200 km/h, but with the limited stops (maybe only one in the center) even 200 km/h will give you a very short travel time.
It's true that people want faster ways to the airport, but that also beg the question of how do we define "city center." Currently Longyang Rd station isn't that far from downtown Shanghai, about five line 2 stops from Nanjing Rd and even quicker for the business travelers from Lujiazui. On the other hand there are a lot of residents live in the western part of Shanghai who will have a hard time getting to Longyang Rd, but no problem getting to Hongqiao quickly. So my proposal of a southern route is to kinda use Hongqiao Airport as a transit hub so people from western Shanghai will ride subway or taxi to Hongqiao, then ride the express maglev to Pudong. While eastern Shanghai residents will get to Longyang Rd and ride the existing line to Pudong. Also a southern route can possibly pass through Shanghai South Railway Station to pick up Pudong passengers from Hangzhou.

I think the lack of express service from Hongqiao to Pudong is a major complaint for transiting passengers, it takes people an hour to get to Hongqiao Railway Station from Nanjing, but takes another hour and half to get to Pudong.
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Old March 26th, 2012, 07:36 PM   #3728
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It's true that people want faster ways to the airport, but that also beg the question of how do we define "city center." Currently Longyang Rd station isn't that far from downtown Shanghai, about five line 2 stops from Nanjing Rd and even quicker for the business travelers from Lujiazui. On the other hand there are a lot of residents live in the western part of Shanghai who will have a hard time getting to Longyang Rd, but no problem getting to Hongqiao quickly. So my proposal of a southern route is to kinda use Hongqiao Airport as a transit hub so people from western Shanghai will ride subway or taxi to Hongqiao, then ride the express maglev to Pudong. While eastern Shanghai residents will get to Longyang Rd and ride the existing line to Pudong. Also a southern route can possibly pass through Shanghai South Railway Station to pick up Pudong passengers from Hangzhou.

I think the lack of express service from Hongqiao to Pudong is a major complaint for transiting passengers, it takes people an hour to get to Hongqiao Railway Station from Nanjing, but takes another hour and half to get to Pudong.
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Old March 27th, 2012, 03:22 PM   #3729
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Old March 28th, 2012, 05:17 PM   #3730
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It's true that people want faster ways to the airport, but that also beg the question of how do we define "city center." Currently Longyang Rd station isn't that far from downtown Shanghai, about five line 2 stops from Nanjing Rd and even quicker for the business travelers from Lujiazui. On the other hand there are a lot of residents live in the western part of Shanghai who will have a hard time getting to Longyang Rd, but no problem getting to Hongqiao quickly. So my proposal of a southern route is to kinda use Hongqiao Airport as a transit hub so people from western Shanghai will ride subway or taxi to Hongqiao, then ride the express maglev to Pudong. While eastern Shanghai residents will get to Longyang Rd and ride the existing line to Pudong. Also a southern route can possibly pass through Shanghai South Railway Station to pick up Pudong passengers from Hangzhou.

I think the lack of express service from Hongqiao to Pudong is a major complaint for transiting passengers, it takes people an hour to get to Hongqiao Railway Station from Nanjing, but takes another hour and half to get to Pudong.
The earliest plans featured a Meglev station in the Expo site, which is probably impossible now. Hongqiao - Shanghai South - Expo Park - Longyang Road - Pudong Airport would have been pretty sensible.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 07:07 AM   #3731
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Shenzhen-Wuhan service starts today

First Changsha-Shenzhen train


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Guangzhou South


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Old April 1st, 2012, 08:22 AM   #3732
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inching closer to Beijing-Hong Kong
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Old April 1st, 2012, 08:45 AM   #3733
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yes. now Shenzhen-Guangzhou and Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR are connected. Beijing-Wuhan will be completed this year. Only the constructing Hongkong HSR section to go!
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Old April 1st, 2012, 04:07 PM   #3734
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Beijing-Wuhan will be completed this year.
In which month shall Beijing-Shijiazhuang high speed railway open?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 05:41 PM   #3735
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In which month shall Beijing-Shijiazhuang high speed railway open?
Dec 30th 2012
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Old April 1st, 2012, 06:11 PM   #3736
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Xi'an-Beijing and Xi'an-Hankou HSR opened today



Xi'an-Beijing West: D132, travel time: 8 hrs 47 mins, Fare: 493 Yuan (class I), Yuan 357 (class II)

Xi'an-Hankou: D140, travel time: 7 hrs 50 mins, Fare: 432 Yuan (class I), Yuan 307 (class II)

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Old April 1st, 2012, 11:29 PM   #3737
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Xi'an-Beijing and Xi'an-Hankou HSR opened today



Xi'an-Beijing West: D132, travel time: 8 hrs 47 mins, Fare: 493 Yuan (class I), Yuan 357 (class II)

Xi'an-Hankou: D140, travel time: 7 hrs 50 mins, Fare: 432 Yuan (class I), Yuan 307 (class II)

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Nice news... There will be G trains, too, right?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 11:52 PM   #3738
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Wuhan-Zhengzhou

How are the tests of Wuhan-Zhengzhou high speed railway progressing?
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 07:57 AM   #3739
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by latest news, the testing, started in march, is going on schedule. This section is supposed to open in July.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 07:59 AM   #3740
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Shijiazhuang New Station (U/C, opening by the end of June)

Connecting line: Beijing-Guangzhou, Shijiazhuang-Dezhou, Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan

Located in Shijiazhuang, Hebei Province

Size: 107,059 sqms, 13 platforms

Construction: 6.10.2010 ~ 6.30.2012





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