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Old June 30th, 2012, 09:21 PM   #4161
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China: High-Speed Ahead
by Ami Field - TGJ Staff APRIL 16, 2012

http://theglobaljournal.net/article/view/669/

China has faced a lot of criticism about its new high-speed rail service, especially after a train derailed in July 2010, killing 40 and injuring 192. But a new World Bank study found that the service is already larger in volume than that on the entire French high-speed rail network, and is rivaling the volume on the Japanese high-speed rail system.

The report forecasts that rapid growth in traffic on China’s high-speed rail system will continue, as new lines currently under construction are completed, urban incomes rise, and the movement of the population from rural areas to cities continues.

High-speed rail services have now been operating in China for three years, and the sheer speed with which the rail system has been built is awe-inspiring. As many as 100,000 workers per line have built about 5,000-miles of track in just six years—sometimes ahead of schedule. The Beijing-to-Shanghai line not originally expected to open until 2012, opened early. The entire system is set to be completed by 2020.

“A general picture is emerging in which high-speed rail, as in other countries, is competing strongly on short and medium-distance routes up to 1,000 km while air remains dominant over longer distances,” said Richard Bullock, a railway expert and consultant to the World Bank and an author on the report.

For the United States and Europe, the implications are huge. China’s manufacturing and global export abilities are likely to grow as more cities are connected and workers can move faster. The United States has had trouble getting bipartisan support for a high-speed rail service, although President Obama is a strong supporter.

Many thought rail ridership in China would come from passengers moving from air to high-speed rail. But this has not been the case. Instead, a larger source of ridership has been ‘generated’ trips, or new trips by passengers who are traveling because of the greater convenience of a high-speed service.

Evidence suggests that high-speed rail can compete with air travel at distances up to 1,000 kilometers, but not over longer distances. For shorter distances, it seems to be able to take almost all of the market share from buses as long as train stations are conveniently located. But there are still more new passengers, who have never traveled these routes before, using high-speed rail, than former bus or air passengers switching to the train service. This implies a very high demand for high-speed rail service - a positive sign.

The report is “cautiously optimistic” about the long-term ridership and economic viability of the major high-speed railway network in China. “However, this optimism is tempered by the need to develop a sustainable financing mechanism in the short to medium term and to carefully weigh the costs and benefits of the peripheral extensions of the network,” the report concluded.

Meanwhile, last month, heavy rain caused a section of a 180-mile high-speed rail link in central China, set to open in May, to collapse, state news agency Xinhua said. There were no reports of any injuries from the collapsed track.

China's cabinet criticized the railways ministry last December for poor safety standards.
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Old June 30th, 2012, 09:54 PM   #4162
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Lines such as Baoji-Lanzhou passes through numerous mountain ranges, rivers, and valleys, on this 400km line bridge, viaducts, and tunnels account for over 92% of the entire track length. I think JR is the best because its operational efficiency, perfect safety record, and the general ride experience (station/train cleanness, passenger friendly infrastructure).
Thanks for the reply. I see, do you have a figure for the entire HSR network (how much is tunneled etc)?

@ JR have you ever used it? My favorite thing about JR is the new trains are (supposed to be) the most energy efficient...the other stuff is cultural...

P.S. I have some videos from when I used China HSR (the view out of the window)..I need to re-upload it.
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Old June 30th, 2012, 11:25 PM   #4163
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According to a report, all tracks with a designed speed of 200 km/h will be lowered to 160km/h

I know that is old news

However, it is said that the initial operating speed of the Longyan-Xiamen Railway is 200 km/h although its designed speed is only 200 km/h. Is that a policy reverse? I am excited!!!!
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Old June 30th, 2012, 11:32 PM   #4164
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According to the current timetable, the first bullet train heading for Longyan will depart from Xiamen Railway Station at 7:10 and arrive in Longyan Station at 8:39. The travel time from Xiamen to Longyan by train will be shortened to 90 minutes from the previous 4 hours.
How many direct trains daily shall travel Longyan-Xiamen-Fuzhou?
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Thanks for the reply. I see, do you have a figure for the entire HSR network (how much is tunneled etc)?

@ JR have you ever used it? My favorite thing about JR is the new trains are (supposed to be) the most energy efficient...the other stuff is cultural...

P.S. I have some videos from when I used China HSR (the view out of the window)..I need to re-upload it.
There is no detailed figure about the tunnel to track length ratio, but out of the 17000km HSR tracks in service and under construction bridge/tunnel average between 60%-90%. I have used JR East's Nagano line and also a commuter train on the Tokyo Chuo line. What I really liked is that although the land reserved for train stations and tracks are extremely limited compare to China's, they are able to use the space so efficiently that passenger flow is never impacted, and there are plenty of amenities (restaurants, bookstores, coffee shops, etc) in the area.


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According to a report, all tracks with a designed speed of 200 km/h will be lowered to 160km/h

I know that is old news

However, it is said that the initial operating speed of the Longyan-Xiamen Railway is 200 km/h although its designed speed is only 200 km/h. Is that a policy reverse? I am excited!!!!
The 200km/h lines where speeds are reduced are all previously upgraded conventional lines IIRC, newly built lines with 200km/h design speed are not affected.
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How many direct trains daily shall travel Longyan-Xiamen-Fuzhou?
You mean non-stop direct train? zero.
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You mean non-stop direct train?
No, a direct train which makes intermediate stops in Xiamen and elsewhere but then continues with passengers staying on board from Longyan to Fuzhou.
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No, a direct train which makes intermediate stops in Xiamen and elsewhere but then continues with passengers staying on board from Longyan to Fuzhou.
2 trains from Fuzhou to Longyan, 3 from Longyan to Fuzhou, a Nanjing to Longyan D train will fill the missing slot.
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Old July 1st, 2012, 09:12 AM   #4169
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Wuhan-Yichang Railway has officially opened today, there will be 26 pairs of D trains daily, tickets starts at RMB 85 Yuan.
http://china.cnr.cn/yaowen/201207/t2...10073734.shtml
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Old July 1st, 2012, 10:30 AM   #4170
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Wuhan Railway Station

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Old July 1st, 2012, 10:37 AM   #4171
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估计这个女孩儿是第一次坐高铁。

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Harbin-Dalian line test

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Old July 1st, 2012, 11:58 AM   #4173
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The fastest train should finish the trip in approximately 2 hours. So far according to the new operation chart scheduled to be released on July 1st the Wuhan-Yichang Railway will have 27 pairs of D trains, 20 will be operating within Wuhan Railway Bureau, Nanjing South, Shanghai South, and Nanchang will each get two pairs of D trains to Yichang East.
What is the best trip time Shanghai-Yichang, of these 2 D train pairs?
20 are within Wuhan, and 2 to Nanchang, Nanjing and Shanghai each is 26 total. Where does the 27th go?
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Old July 1st, 2012, 07:41 PM   #4174
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Opened in July 1st
Tianjin West Railway Station celebrates first anniversary



Qingdao to Tianjin West on July 4th first
Beijing to Tianjin West coming
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A bullet train leaves the Yichang East Railway Station on the inaugural trip of the Hanyi Railway, in Yichang, central China's Hubei Province, July 1, 2012. The 293-kilometer Hanyi Railway, an express rail link that connects Wuhan, capital of Hubei, and Yichang, was launched on Sunday. The railway will reduce travel time between the cities to one hour and 39 minutes. (Xinhua/Hong Tongqian)
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According to this website it will only take 1 hour 39 minutes

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293km/1h 39 m =177.5757...km/h
The top speed is supposed to be 200km/h. That will require near consistency at the top speed. I knew that even 250 km/h trains sometimes could not even achieve that average.
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How long is the network now with the new lines?

According to the BBC, China is supposed to have more HSR than the rest of the world combined by summer 2012
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 05:48 AM   #4177
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Wuhan-Yichang Railway has officially opened today, there will be 26 pairs of D trains daily, tickets starts at RMB 85 Yuan.
http://china.cnr.cn/yaowen/201207/t2...10073734.shtml
That means this HSR system can connect Chengdu and Shanghai?
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What is the best trip time Shanghai-Yichang, of these 2 D train pairs?
20 are within Wuhan, and 2 to Nanchang, Nanjing and Shanghai each is 26 total. Where does the 27th go?
According to this picture it seems to me that the D3006/7 pair is better.



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A correction
According to this website it will only take 1 hour 39 minutes

Interestingly
293km/1h 39 m =177.5757...km/h
The top speed is supposed to be 200km/h. That will require near consistency at the top speed. I knew that even 250 km/h trains sometimes could not even achieve that average.
Yeah that's a pretty quick trip indeed, the fastest train is the non stop D5801, it will depart Hankou Station at 12:50 and arrive at Yichang East on 14:29.

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That means this HSR system can connect Chengdu and Shanghai?
Technically they had Chengdu-Shanghai D train service before, it just traveled at lower speed on the old line, that service was replaced by conventional T/K train last year because it's not competitive with airlines.
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Do any trains Wuhan-Chongqing use the new Wuhan-Yichang railway?
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Old July 2nd, 2012, 09:39 PM   #4180
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Wuhan is quite a node in the Chinese railway network. I tried to find a map depicting the railways around the city, but couldn't find one. So, I tried to make one myself based on this map of the country's railways and Wikipedia.

Is this map correct? I know there will also be an intercity line to Huanggang, but I believe construction has yet to start? I purposefully left out many stations, as the map would have become too cluttered had all of them been included.
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