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Old October 8th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #4601
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But, seriously, it's caked on. Where could such a thing happen? (Unless, of course,it simply hasn't been cleaned for a long time)
Maybe it passed through a sandstorm?

Beijing used to get hit fairly regularly.
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Old October 8th, 2012, 07:41 PM   #4602
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10.8 Harbin-Dalian high-speed rail on trial run today



The 921 km HSR line will open officially by the end of this year. It will be the 1st HSR running in frigid area. The lowest design temperature is -40 ℃.

The design speed for the new line is 350km/h. It will take a bit over 3 hours to cover the full route, with 24 stations. Travel time between Shenyang and Dalian is reduced to 80 minutes.

New Harbin West Station






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Old October 8th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #4603
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I love the red style on the Harbin West Railway station. What type of trains will be running on this line? Looks like the CRH3C and CRH380B.

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[RUMOR] CIT500 test run tomorrow on Harbin–Dalian HSR Line
Great rumor....this is the CIT500 correct?

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Old October 9th, 2012, 01:00 AM   #4604
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That test train must have been used for hot rolling test for the past few weeks, they don't get cleaned at all, unlike scheduled commercial trains which get cleaned very frequently.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 04:12 AM   #4605
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When is work starting on the HSR tunnel between Dalian and Shandong?
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Old October 9th, 2012, 07:14 AM   #4606
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China tests world’s fastest alpine railway

2012-10-08
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China on Monday showcased the world’s first alpine high-speed rail line, which threads through the country’s three northeastern provinces. A test train departed from Harbin West Station, located in the capital of Heilongjiang Province, on Monday morning for Dalian, a port city in Liaoning Province. With a trial speed averaging 300 km per hour, the train completed the 921-kilometer journey in about four hours.

Engineers with the railway project said the rail track built using cutting-edge technology can accommodate temperatures between 40 degrees Celsius below zero and 40 degrees Celsius above freezing. Trains will be able to run at an average of 350 km per hour on the line after safety tests are conducted. They have adopted the eight-compartment CRH380B train model built by China Northern Railways.

The rail line, featuring 24 stations, is expected to go into normal operation by the end of the year. The populous northeastern provinces are known as China’s key industrial base, and the high-speed rail line is expected to ease the transportation bottleneck in the region. Harbin West, the line’s originating station, has been designed with 10 platforms with a combined dispatched passenger capacity of 7,000 passengers per hour at peak times.

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Old October 9th, 2012, 08:27 AM   #4607
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Dongbei riders should fully expect that if temps drop too low, that service will be slowed, delayed or closed for extreme cold spells.

Laws of physics and all that.

On the photo, I like the fact that the airflow over the cab can be clearly determined by the layers of dirt.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #4608
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China on Monday showcased the world’s first alpine high-speed rail line, which threads through the country’s three northeastern provinces.
There is nothing alpine about the line!

The water divide between Liaohe and Sungari around Changchun is quite flat, or very low hills.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 09:38 AM   #4609
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I think it's about cold weather not landscapes.

Here's another article from Chinadaily.

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Railway built to withstand extreme cold prepares to welcome travelers

A high-speed railway linking major cities in Northeast China began trial operations on Monday, ahead of its launch at the end of the year.

The new line, which links Dalian, a port city in Liaoning province and Harbin, capital of Heilongjiang province, is the world's first high-speed railway built to withstand extreme cold weather conditions, according to a statement by Harbin railway authorities.

A test train departed Harbin on Monday morning, arriving in Dalian three-and-a-half hours later. The journey takes nine hours on an ordinary train.

The new line will make 24 stops and connect 10 cities, including the capitals of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang provinces.

Construction of the 921-kilometer line began in 2008. It is designed to reach a top speed of 350 kilometers per hour, but will travel initially at a maximum of 300 km/h, railway authorities said.

The line has to withstand extreme temperatures as low as -39.9 C in winter and as high as 40 C in summer, which poses major challenges to the trains and railway construction.

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Old October 9th, 2012, 09:57 AM   #4610
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Beijing-Hefei

The distance Beijing-Nanjing is 1023 km, and the fastest trains (nonstop) cover the distance in 3:39.

The distance Beijing-Bengbu is 848 km, and the fastest trains (2 to 3 stops) cover the distance in 3:23.

The distance Bengbu-Hefei is 131 km. Therefore the distance Beijing-Hefei shall be 979 km.

When the high speed railway Bengbu-Hefei shall open, what shall be the travel time of fastest trains Beijing-Hefei?
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Old October 9th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #4611
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I think it's about cold weather not landscapes.
Whatever it is, it's a lie, because Helsinki-Leningrad already has a HSR and that's probably 'alpine' whatever that means.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #4612
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Whatever it is, it's a lie, because Helsinki-Leningrad already has a HSR
The line between Helsinki and St. Petersburg can be called a HSR only if you really try to drag it to that. It's not even 200km/h throughtout the entire route, it's not a PDL. The travel time between Helsinki and St.Petersburg is 3:30 which gives it an average speed of around 115km/h. Whichever way you look at it, it can hardly be called a 'high-speed' line.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 07:25 PM   #4613
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I know it gets pretty cold in France and Germany during the winter, how they deal with High Speed Rail in cold weather?
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Old October 9th, 2012, 08:37 PM   #4614
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I know it gets pretty cold in France and Germany during the winter, how they deal with High Speed Rail in cold weather?
There may be a little hype here, but the claim is largely reasonable.
Due to its location below Eastern Siberia, Winter in Harbin is much colder than many other cold places in Europe or North America. Per Wikipedia, the
January Ave. high is -12 C and low is -20 C, which makes it much colder than
Moscow and colder than Minneapolis.

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Old October 9th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #4615
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There may be a little hype here, but the claim is largely reasonable.
Due to its location below Eastern Siberia, Winter in Harbin is much colder than many other cold places in Europe or North America. Per Wikipedia, the
January Ave. high is -12 C and low is -20 C, which makes it much colder than
Moscow and colder than Minneapolis.

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But did they consider the Shinkansen to Nagano being in this category?
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Old October 9th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #4616
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But did they consider the Shinkansen to Nagano being in this category?
Nagano has a record low of -17C

Harbin has a record low of -42C


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And I think you need to chill

The other articles on the website have a lot of obvious grammatical mistakes, so I think "alpine" was just a mistake on the translation.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 09:59 PM   #4617
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Nagano January temp: -5 to 3; Harbin: -24 to -12. [ a correction for what I wrote
(-20 to -12)]. So temperature wise, Nagano is balmy relatively. I think a comparable
HSR line is the northern section of the Sinkansen to Hakodao. (Sorry about my translation
of Japanese names). But still the temperature is much higher than that in Harbin.
I believe Harbin is the coldest city on earth with a population over 2 million in January, although its
latitude is only about 46 degrees. There is a T train going from Harbin to Guangzhou. Sometimes it starts with -40 C and ends with +25 C, in 37 hours.

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Old October 9th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #4618
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Harbin is almost in line with Sakhalin island (RUS)
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Old October 9th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #4619
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I believe Harbin is the coldest city on earth with a population over 2 million in January
Folks in Qiqihar might beg to differ
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Old October 9th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #4620
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Folks in Qiqihar might beg to differ
The population in Qiqihar municipality is less than 2 million. The whole city with
the counties and rural area has a larger population. I only count the former.
I agree with you that Qiqihar is indeed colder. Is it the coldest city with
1 million + population? I am not sure. May be Ulanbaartar, or elsewhere?

BYW, a HSL will connect Qiqihar with Harbin.

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