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Old October 9th, 2012, 11:19 PM   #4621
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Folks in Qiqihar might beg to differ
You have to be careful about how you define the size of a city in China.

The Qiqihar city administrative division looks like it only has 1.5million people in the city core, with the rest as rural residents.
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Old October 9th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #4622
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The Chinese version of these articles all refer to 高寒区, which means Severe Cold Weather Region. It's probably a Chinese only-term and it is defined as Area with -40 ℃ winter temperature, primary used as agricultural context....
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Old October 10th, 2012, 12:10 AM   #4623
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The Chinese version of these articles all refer to 高寒区, which means Severe Cold Weather Region. It's probably a Chinese only-term and it is defined as Area with -40 ℃ winter temperature, primary used as agricultural context....
It sounds like another one of these words which don't have a direct english equivalent lol
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Old October 10th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #4624
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Whatever it is, it's a lie, because Helsinki-Leningrad already has a HSR and that's probably 'alpine' whatever that means.

Fail

You should have at least tried Moscow - St. Petersburg.

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Old October 10th, 2012, 02:24 AM   #4625
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There may be a little hype here, but the claim is largely reasonable.
Due to its location below Eastern Siberia, Winter in Harbin is much colder than many other cold places in Europe or North America. Per Wikipedia, the
January Ave. high is -12 C and low is -20 C, which makes it much colder than
Moscow and colder than Minneapolis.

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Wow, so Harbin does get really cold! The cold season is close (or already here) so they're going to have the right conditions for trail high speed runs.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 03:23 AM   #4626
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I have been to areas with a -20C temperature, and it's so bloody cold! I can't imagine what's like in -40C weather.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 03:24 AM   #4627
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There may be a little hype here, but the claim is largely reasonable.
Due to its location below Eastern Siberia, Winter in Harbin is much colder than many other cold places in Europe or North America. Per Wikipedia, the
January Ave. high is -12 C and low is -20 C, which makes it much colder than
Moscow and colder than Minneapolis.

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I agree there is some hype but there should be. If this was, say, in Britain, it is 1.5 times longer than a possible route from London to Edinburgh and its climate and geography is much harsher. In England, Queen would have been christening this rail road and it would have been on news for a month
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Old October 10th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #4628
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I agree there is some hype but there should be. If this was, say, in Britain, it is 1.5 times longer than a possible route from London to Edinburgh and its climate and geography is much harsher. In England, Queen would have been christening this rail road and it would have been on news for a month
The puts it into perspective, wow.

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When is work starting on the HSR tunnel between Dalian and Shandong?

I had no idea this was part of the HSR network plan. Interesting...
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Old October 10th, 2012, 04:02 AM   #4629
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I know it gets pretty cold in France and Germany during the winter, how they deal with High Speed Rail in cold weather?
Regarding France/Germany - Back in December 2009 there was very cold period of winter in western Europe. It stranded many trains (including Eurostar) - the electronics couldn't cope with the extreme temperatures, or the differences in temperature and humidity (not sure - does anyone have more information about it?). I believe now the electronics had been upgraded to withstand such conditions.

As I remember, there were no such problems in Scandinavia.

Here is a link to a New York Times article after this whole ordeal: Eurostar Criticized for Winter Breakdowns.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 04:12 AM   #4630
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we should be humble and learn from them so in the future we may excel in that field.

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Old October 10th, 2012, 05:55 AM   #4631
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Harbin is almost in line with Sakhalin island (RUS)
Only in line with the very southern tip of Sakhalin island though, which stretches from about 46 degrees North to 54 degrees north. Harbin is a little
south of 46 degrees.

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Old October 10th, 2012, 05:59 AM   #4632
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I love the red style on the Harbin West Railway station.
That photo should have some color distortion. The real color of Harbin West is brown.



platform


pics by anuo82, ditiezu.com

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Harbin West station




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Old October 10th, 2012, 06:06 AM   #4633
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I agree there is some hype but there should be. If this was, say, in Britain, it is 1.5 times longer than a possible route from London to Edinburgh and its climate and geography is much harsher. In England, Queen would have been christening this rail road and it would have been on news for a month
Thanks for the appreciation. Not trying to start an argument, it seems a little ironic that the country where
trains are invented can not build a HSR line or trains by its own now days.
The short segment in front of the tunnel is French technology.
Guess the best engineers are in the defense industry, busy with building weapons such as
the new aircraft carriers.

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Old October 10th, 2012, 07:55 AM   #4634
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I believe Harbin is the coldest city on earth with a population over 2 million in January, although its
latitude is only about 46 degrees. [...]
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On the latitude side, Harbin is "just south" of Switzerland. "Around" Milan...
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Old October 10th, 2012, 10:04 AM   #4635
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But Harbin is much colder than Milan and Switzerland, of course
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Old October 10th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #4636
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What is the normal temperature inside CRH trains in winter?
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Old October 10th, 2012, 10:48 AM   #4637
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What is the normal temperature inside CRH trains in winter?
Probably exactly the same as it is in Summer?
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Probably exactly the same as it is in Summer?
Then the passengers who arrive at stations heavily dressed for cold winds would get hot. Unless they undress.

Which are the suitable storage areas for clothing of passengers? In 2nd class?
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Old October 10th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #4639
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Then the passengers who arrive at stations heavily dressed for cold winds would get hot. Unless they undress.

Which are the suitable storage areas for clothing of passengers? In 2nd class?
I think it is a good idea to undress heavy clothing once you get somewhere where it's not so cold. There is plenty of space even in 2nd class to put the stuff. In fact you can even put a medium sized suitcase in front of you and still have enough space. Therefore it won't be a problem to place winter clothes somewhere too. The trains are spacious.
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Old October 10th, 2012, 11:37 AM   #4640
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Further observe that the platforms of Harbin West are quite open to wind blowing through. Not only at the loading gauge of the tracks.

How about the big station hall? Large glass surfaces, doors to square... what shall the temperature be this winter?

In North China, heating of "public buildings" is legal. In South China, it was forbidden by Mao to heat public buildings, to save money - south of Yangtze. But south of Yangtze does get fairly cool. In Nanjing, January average +2,4, average low -1,1, record low -16,9.

What is the temperature inside Nanjing South station in winter? Has it fallen below freezing after the opening in 2010?
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