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Old October 11th, 2012, 11:59 PM   #4661
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Trains like D25, Beijing-Harbin, do run on old railways Beijing-Qinhuangdao and Shenyang-Harbin. Are they CRH trains?
If it's D train then it's CRH.

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In North China, heating of "public buildings" is legal. In South China, it was forbidden by Mao to heat public buildings, to save money - south of Yangtze. But south of Yangtze does get fairly cool. In Nanjing, January average +2,4, average low -1,1, record low -16,9.

What is the temperature inside Nanjing South station in winter? Has it fallen below freezing after the opening in 2010?
Never heard about not allowing heating in public buildings, train stations and other public buildings in southern China have always been heated in the winter. Nanjing South was criticized for not having adequate heating when it was first opened because of an issue connecting the high pressure steam pipe to the main station from the adjacent central utility plant. The problem has since been resolved and the station maintains a constant temperature throughout the year.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #4662
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So once e-ticketing is available system-wide, the open space will be developed?
e-ticketing only solves the problem to an extent, if you traveled in China during busy season, then you would know the problem is simply getting so many people into so little space. For Example, during the golden week holidays last week, 425 million trips are made on China's transportation system in little over 4 days... that's more than the entire population of United States.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 07:27 AM   #4663
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You mean Harbin West?
yes, it's a mistake.

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I didn't know there was a "Harbin South" station.
There is a Harbin South (freight station) but anyway it's my typo
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Old October 12th, 2012, 08:02 AM   #4664
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If it's D train then it's CRH.
Got it.

This is a 5 minute video about an old steam train but at the end it's nice to see the old with the new. At 4:53 you'll see a CRH2 train zoom by as the old steam train is traveling under.

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Old October 12th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #4665
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Sep 11th, test run on SHiwu PDL, near to Gaoyi South station

Sep 15th 2012, Test run on Jingshi PDL, Shijiazhuang station


Shijiazhuang Station
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Old October 12th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #4666
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Sep 11th, test run on SHiwu PDL, near to Gaoyi South station
I thought that one would be called Gaoyi West
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Old October 12th, 2012, 10:07 PM   #4667
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Never heard about not allowing heating in public buildings, train stations and other public buildings in southern China have always been heated in the winter. Nanjing South was criticized for not having adequate heating when it was first opened because of an issue connecting the high pressure steam pipe to the main station from the adjacent central utility plant. The problem has since been resolved and the station maintains a constant temperature throughout the year.
I heard several references, for example I can point at this:
http://reneeriley.wordpress.com/2011...e-river-china/

On closer examination, it turns out that it is wrong places which are unheated: homes and schools where people spend whole days and therefore should be able to undress.
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Old October 12th, 2012, 10:23 PM   #4668
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greenlion...awesome pictures!
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Old October 13th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #4669
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I heard several references, for example I can point at this:
http://reneeriley.wordpress.com/2011...e-river-china/

On closer examination, it turns out that it is wrong places which are unheated: homes and schools where people spend whole days and therefore should be able to undress.
Classrooms are used to be heated by individual coal stoves up til the late 90s, but now most city schools have AC installed. It seems every building has AC nowadays, probably more than the US.
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Old October 13th, 2012, 04:36 AM   #4670
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Photo taken on Oct. 10, 2012 shows the outdoor scene of the Changchun West Railway Station, a stop of the new Harbin-Dalian High-Speed Railway, in Changchun, capital of northeast China's Jilin Province. China on Oct. 8 showcased the world's first alpine high-speed rail line, which threads through the country's three northeastern provinces. The new high-speed railway is expected to reduce travel time between Harbin, capital of northeast China's Heilongjiang Province, and Dalian, a city in northeast China's Liaoning Province, to four hours. The weather-proof CRH380B bullet trains serving the line can accomodate temperatures from minus 40 degrees Celsius to 40 degrees Celsius above zero. The rail line, featuring 24 stations, is expected to go into normal operation by the end of the year. (Xinhua/Lin Hong)



Photo taken on Oct. 10, 2012 shows the underground transit hall of the Changchun West Railway Station, a stop of the new Harbin-Dalian High-Speed Railway, in Changchun, capital of northeast China's Jilin Province. China on Oct. 8 showcased the world's first alpine high-speed rail line, which threads through the country's three northeastern provinces. The new high-speed railway is expected to reduce travel time between Harbin, capital of northeast China's Heilongjiang Province, and Dalian, a city in northeast China's Liaoning Province, to four hours. The weather-proof CRH380B bullet trains serving the line can accomodate temperatures from minus 40 degrees Celsius to 40 degrees Celsius above zero. The rail line, featuring 24 stations, is expected to go into normal operation by the end of the year. (Xinhua/Lin Hong)
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Old October 13th, 2012, 09:45 AM   #4671
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The earliest opening probably will be Hefei-Bengbu, trial operation started on Sept 13th and it's suppose to last one month, then a final opening date will be set, probably in late Oct or early Nov.
That month passed today.
What were the results of the trials and has the final opening date been set?
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The mysterious line you mentioned is probably the proposed Gulf of Tonkin line, which starts from Changsha and goes to the southern coast of Guangxi Province, branching off to Nanning, Fangchenggang, and Beihai.
As I said, certainly not from Changsha.

From comparing to maps, it seems that the brown line branches from Hengyang towards Guilin and Lijiang.

Has anything been heard of ongoing railway construction between Hengyang and Guilin?
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Old October 13th, 2012, 03:02 PM   #4672
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Classrooms are used to be heated by individual coal stoves up til the late 90s, but now most city schools have AC installed. It seems every building has AC nowadays, probably more than the US.
The unwritten rule in most of China is that the heat and AC is not turned on. Look at CCP conferences, local party meetings on TV. See everyone wearing a coat? That is because the interior temperature is 6C.

All common areas in buildings - stairwells, elevators, walkways, hallways, shopping malls - are unheated or un-AC in the non-coastal cities. Only the most expensive of malls have heat/ac and that is set low for heat and high for ac.

Usually you enter a room, business, restaurant or home and there is a modern split unit AC/heater sitting in the corner and it is not turned on. But everyone has a laptop, computer, smartphone and nice clothes.

Anyway this is beyond scope for this forum.

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When is the projected completion of the Zhengzhou-Xuzhou-Suzhou-Shanghai CRH/G-XXXX line? It would be nice to take a G train direct to Shanghai...
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Old October 13th, 2012, 03:14 PM   #4673
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What is the normal temperature inside CRH trains in winter?
Same as summer once the doors shut.

15-20. Very comfortable.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #4674
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That month passed today.
What were the results of the trials and has the final opening date been set?
Official opening is Monday Oct 16th, 15 pairs of G train will run on that day.

9 x Hefei-Beijing South
2 x Hefei-Qingdao
4 x Hefei-Bengbu South

In additional one Shanghai-Hefei D train will be extend to Huainan East, one Hefei-Wenzhou D train will now start from Huainan East.
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Old October 14th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #4675
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Official opening is Monday Oct 16th
Shall 16th of October, 2012 be a Monday or a Tuesday?
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Official opening is Monday Oct 16th, 15 pairs of G train will run on that day.

9 x Hefei-Beijing South
2 x Hefei-Qingdao
4 x Hefei-Bengbu South

In additional one Shanghai-Hefei D train will be extend to Huainan East, one Hefei-Wenzhou D train will now start from Huainan East.
Is there a train from Huainan East to Bengbu South? According to the awesome map posted earlier it looks like the 350km/h line from Bengbu to Hefei might go through Huainan. I'm almost guessing because I go between Google Maps and the map posted here: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2012/20120...9120120829.jpg

Which makes me wonder why a D- train to Huainan instead of a G?

Edit: I think I've answered my own question. For some reason the line between Nanjing and Wuhan is a 250km/h line. There is no direct line from Nanjing to Huainan.

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Old October 15th, 2012, 11:51 AM   #4677
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Wuxi Central station (U/C), Jiangsu Province

The new station is a complex of Rail/long-distance Bus (3 old stations combined)/City bus/HSR station.

Most of work is done. The bus station and HSR has opened.

















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Old October 15th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #4678
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Is there a train from Huainan East to Bengbu South? According to the awesome map posted earlier it looks like the 350km/h line from Bengbu to Hefei might go through Huainan. I'm almost guessing because I go between Google Maps and the map posted here: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2012/20120...9120120829.jpg

Which makes me wonder why a D- train to Huainan instead of a G?

Edit: I think I've answered my own question. For some reason the line between Nanjing and Wuhan is a 250km/h line. There is no direct line from Nanjing to Huainan.

There are 6 G-train pairs everyday. Until today there used to be only two K-trains (K8401 and K8377) and the journey took 1 hour 41 minutes.

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Old October 15th, 2012, 01:23 PM   #4679
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It is Monday.

When is or was the opening day of Bengbu-Hefei high speed railway?
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When is or was the opening day of Bengbu-Hefei high speed railway?
Oct 16th China time, so Monday afternoon North American time.
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