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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #4701
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Nice picture. Where is the other line in the distance going?
I think that it's just the same line, opposite direction traffic.

Just noticed, each one of those viaducts are single-direction only (note only one set of catenary poles contrary to a pair); I don't know why they would build two separate viaducts like that, though.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #4702
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Can anyone give a precise number of how many km of 300+ km/h standard lines are there in China right now?
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #4703
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Not like that, but rather do they make sure that it seems to fit the landscape kind of environment? In Europe, a lot of thought goes into effectively 'hiding' the lines, so that the environment is left as is.
Personally, I prefer the look of elevated lines anyway They look great.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #4704
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Is Fengtai station in Beijing supposed to be an HSR station?
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #4705
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Can anyone give a precise number of how many km of 300+ km/h standard lines are there in China right now?
Beijing-Shanghai - 1302
Zhengzhou-Wuhan - quoted as 536
Wuhan-Guangzhou - 968
Guangzhou - Longhua - 102
Beijing-Tianjin - 115
Shanghai-Nanjing - 301
Shanghai-Hangzhou - 169
Zhengzhou-Xian - 457
Hefei-Bengbu - 131

This should be full list of lines (oh, Taiwan too) - but I am not sure whether any of the lengths above include errors.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:31 PM   #4706
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Beijing-Shanghai - 1302
Zhengzhou-Wuhan - quoted as 536
Wuhan-Guangzhou - 968
Guangzhou - Longhua - 102
Beijing-Tianjin - 115
Shanghai-Nanjing - 301
Shanghai-Hangzhou - 169
Zhengzhou-Xian - 457
Hefei-Bengbu - 131

This should be full list of lines (oh, Taiwan too) - but I am not sure whether any of the lengths above include errors.
Thanks. That's useful.

Also, what about Shenzhen-Guangzhou new line?
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #4707
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Also, what about Shenzhen-Guangzhou new line?
In the list - Guangzhou-Longhua.
Longhua station is also known as Shenzhen North.

What is the current state of progress of Longhua-Futian high speed railway and of Futian station? In which year is Futian station due to open for service?
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Old October 16th, 2012, 07:42 PM   #4708
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I think that it's just the same line, opposite direction traffic.

Just noticed, each one of those viaducts are single-direction only (note only one set of catenary poles contrary to a pair); I don't know why they would build two separate viaducts like that, though.
Yeah, I'm not sure why they would just use one double track bridge. I'm not an engineer so I'm sure they have their reasons. As for environmental issues the viaducts seem to be the best way to go. It's a win-win situation and many ways. Wildlife can migrate, trains won't run into deer at 217 mph(does China have deer?) and the passengers get a better view of the landscape.

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I assume that's the 250km/h CRH6. I wonder if the orange cheat line is going to be the final color. I like the standard blue-white for CRH trains.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #4709
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Looks like Hefei-Bengbu line's station designer went back to the 1960s to seek design inspirations.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 10:39 PM   #4710
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Are there any reliable data concerning the cost per km for China's HSR lines (assuming easy geography)? If I remember correctly French standard was about 15 million $/km.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 11:09 PM   #4711
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CRH will introduce frequent rider program on the Shanghai-Nanjing line next month, passengers will be able to accumulate mileage in exchange of discounted or free tickets. Details are still being worked out.
http://www.zgnt.net/content/2012-10/...urce=weibolife

The 342km Hainan West Ring Railway construction officially starts, the first section to be built is Fenghuang Airport to Sanya Station.
http://www.chnrailway.com/news/20121010/1010416297.html

2012 China railway fixed asset investment has been increased again to RMB 630 billion, infrastructure investment RMB 520 billion, 2013 budget will be on par on higher than this year's.
http://news.hexun.com/2012-10-12/146...urce=weibolife
Hainan is going to be very well connected in the future as well. I took a bus from Sanya to Haikou, with a 30 minute taxi ride to the airport. The journey seemed to take over 4 hours.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 12:22 AM   #4712
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Are there any reliable data concerning the cost per km for China's HSR lines (assuming easy geography)? If I remember correctly French standard was about 15 million $/km.
That's a good question, I think the exact figure is hard to come by because we don't see the final cost figure when the line is completed, only the projected project budget. For example the Hainan West Ring is 342km with a projected budget of RMB 29.4 billion which translates to about USD 12 million per km. Bear in mind this is a very low standard railway (200-250km/h) with very easy geography. Many Chinese HSR lines are actually built on very difficult terrains or facing extreme elements, such as Wuhan-Guangzhou (mountains), Harbin-Dalian (cold), Beijing-Shanghai (high speed, populated areas), Beijing-Shijiazhuang (mountains). Long lines such as Beijing-Shanghai or Wuhan-Guangzhou are over 80% viaducts or tunnels, plus the 350-380km/h construction standard, so in general I think the cost per km is higher than European countries.

Some figures I calculated from projected cost divided by length found online:

Lanzhou-Urumqi $13M/km
Wuhan-Guangzhou $17.4M/km
Beijing-Shanghai $26.8M/km
Beijing-Shijiazhuang $24.9M/km
Shijiazhuang-Wuhan $22.2M/km
Zhenzhou-Xi'an $15.8M/km
Haibin-Dalian $16.3M/km
Shanghai-Nanjing $21M/km
Hefei-Bengbu $18M/km
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Old October 17th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #4713
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Hainan is going to be very well connected in the future as well. I took a bus from Sanya to Haikou, with a 30 minute taxi ride to the airport. The journey seemed to take over 4 hours.
Must be a nice journey, I've never been to Hainan and very much looking forward to. I think the West Ring will be just like East Ring where sections of the line will be very close to the shoreline. If I'm not mistaken it'll still be quicker to get from Sanya to Haikou using the East Ring.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 08:13 AM   #4714
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Impossible.

G trains go to Bengbu South. K, Z and T trains depart from Bengbu. No way to connect!
You are right. They are about 10 km apart.

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Old October 17th, 2012, 09:29 AM   #4715
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In related news, the former Buji Railway Station will be re-named Shenzhen East Railway Station and is scheduled to open at the end of October.

The railway station, part of Buji’s transport hub, is linked with Metro’s Longgang and Huanzhong lines and with the Guangzhou-Shenzhen railway. Covering 127,000 square meters, the terminal also offers city bus, taxi and long-distance bus services.

Shenzhen East Railway Station is designed to handle 50,000 passengers a day in its initial stages.
It is second half of October.

On which day of this month shall Buji Station open?
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Old October 17th, 2012, 12:31 PM   #4716
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Harbin-Dalian High-speed Railway will be on trial on Dec. 8th and to be put into operation one month later

After more than 4-months of joint debugging and joint tests, Harbin-Dalian High-speed Railway will be on trial on Dec. 8th and to put into operation one month later.
Harbin-Dalian passenger line is an important part of the Beijing-Harbin line and will be the first alpine high speed rail where the train will travel at 350 kilometers per hour. In the world, only Russia and the Nordic region operate three alpine railways at minus 40 ° C low temperature environment, a total mileage of less than 700 km.

http://english.dbw.cn/system/2012/10/11/000573541.shtml
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Old October 18th, 2012, 01:08 AM   #4717
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Long lines such as Beijing-Shanghai or Wuhan-Guangzhou are over 80% viaducts or tunnels, plus the 350-380km/h construction standard, so in general I think the cost per km is higher than European countries.
I don't know about all European countries, but considering China's cheap labor, land, etc. costs I think China has a far lower cost per km than, for example, the Netherlands.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #4718
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So china's high speed rail is back up to 350 km/h? An Youtube video to prove that would be great.

Also, as far as the previous answer goes, I think most high speed rail lines are elevated or underground.
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Old October 18th, 2012, 01:45 AM   #4719
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So china's high speed rail is back up to 350 km/h?
Where did you get such information?
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Old October 18th, 2012, 03:16 PM   #4720
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Long lines such as Beijing-Shanghai or Wuhan-Guangzhou are over 80% viaducts or tunnels, plus the 350-380km/h construction standard, so in general I think the cost per km is higher than European countries.
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I don't know about all European countries, but considering China's cheap labor, land, etc. costs I think China has a far lower cost per km than, for example, the Netherlands.

Well, hmmwv has a point too though. I think the cost is similar between the two.
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