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Old October 22nd, 2012, 03:51 PM   #4741
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Wasn't Paris demolished in the 19th century and rebuilt according to Haussmann's plan?
lol... and didn't they put an ugly glass pyramid in front of one of their most precious buildings?
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 12:06 AM   #4742
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But don't you think it is FUNNY to move a building--( WASTE OF MONEY , TIME, ENERGY) ?...why can't they just preserved the building at the original location & shift the project to other location.

Just look at PARIS, FRANCE, tHE whole PARIS is so DIFFERENT from other cities around the world.

SHANGHAI is just a TYPICAL/ NORMAL cities around the world with high-rises & Glass buildings...THERE is no UNIQUE.!!!

PRESERVED THE BUIDLING THE WAY IT SHOULD BE PRESERVED & NOT by rebuilding or shift it
Wait, so redesign and moving a entire subway line is not a waste of money, time and energy? I don't really follow your logic here. Also speaking of Paris is La Défense so different from any other city's CBD?
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 09:14 AM   #4743
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Wait, so redesign and moving a entire subway line is not a waste of money, time and energy? I don't really follow your logic here. Also speaking of Paris is La Défense so different from any other city's CBD?

Please... You are not playing by the rules. You shouldn't be rational or logical.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 11:55 PM   #4744
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It's rumored that Beijing-Zhengzhou line will start trial operation on Nov 15th. Beijing-Shijiazhuang segment has been under testing since September.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 12:58 AM   #4745
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Hainan is going to be very well connected in the future as well.
Not unless a high-speed railway is built Guangzhou-Maoming-Zhanjiang-Haian. And a bridge or a tunnel across Qiongzhou strait.

Is anything such under construction?
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Old October 24th, 2012, 07:21 AM   #4746
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Not unless a high-speed railway is built Guangzhou-Maoming-Zhanjiang-Haian. And a bridge or a tunnel across Qiongzhou strait.

Is anything such under construction?
According to Wikipedia and their sources there is a bridge planned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qiongzhou_Strait

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The strait is on average 30 kilometres (19 mi) wide[1] and centered at 20°09′N 110°16′E with a maximum water depth of approximately 120 metres (390 ft).[2]

A 140 billion RMB ($21 billion USD) bridge across the strait is planned to begin construction in 2012.[1] The bridge is currently designed to have levels for both trains and cars, and is expected to be 26.3 kilometres (16.3 mi) long.[3] Currently the strait is susceptible to closure during strong typhoon activity.[4]
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http://www.newsgd.com/news/guangdong...nt_4796350.htm

http://news.sohu.com/20100109/n269469867.shtml
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Old October 25th, 2012, 02:05 PM   #4747
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30 km is not that long. But I really hope it's a highway/Railway bridge, better planning big for the long term.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 02:06 PM   #4748
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9.28 pictures on the trial-run Harbin-Dalian HSR







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Old October 25th, 2012, 02:22 PM   #4749
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The Hangzhou-Ningbo high-speed railway is scheduled to begin its trial run next January.
In which year shall the trial run begin - Dragon Year or Snake Year?
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Old October 25th, 2012, 02:52 PM   #4750
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Quite a pretty line.

It seems that for most lines, when testing, they use the Velaro, is there a reason for it? Is it a specifically modified version?
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Old October 25th, 2012, 02:58 PM   #4751
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[QUOTE=hmmwv;96628300]Wait, so redesign and moving a entire subway line is not a waste of money, time and energy? I don't really follow your logic here. Also speaking of Paris is La Défense so different from any other city's CBD?

[Can you please compare the SIZE of Shanghai bund with the old part of the Paris?...the French government segregate the PARIS into old and new completely.
Unlike in Shanghai, the old western colonial building a just a handful and is diminishing in numbers due to redevelopment. Shanghai development are just like a mess not really organized like in Paris]
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Old October 25th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #4752
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Quite a pretty line.

It seems that for most lines, when testing, they use the Velaro, is there a reason for it? Is it a specifically modified version?
I don't know about the other lines, but for the Harbin-Dalian line, they will exclusively use modified CRH380B trainsets to deal with the cold.

Pretty pictures. Yes.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 03:37 AM   #4753
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Just look at PARIS, FRANCE, tHE whole PARIS is so DIFFERENT from other cities around the world.

SHANGHAI is just a TYPICAL/ NORMAL cities around the world with high-rises & Glass buildings...THERE is no UNIQUE.!!!

PRESERVED THE BUIDLING THE WAY IT SHOULD BE PRESERVED & NOT by rebuilding or shift it ]
Shanghai is different from "TYPICAL/ NORMAL" city because has one of the the largest sea of "high-rises & Glass buildings" and its got quite a distinctive and unique skyline. Like lots of east Asian Cities it tends to go for the cutting edge and high-tech look, what the problem with that? Rebuilding or shifting historical is a great way of retaining the past and the cities soul while preparing and planning for the future. A building doesn't loose its historical value when its being restored, rebuilt and/or moved. In fact its adds more story, character and history to it. There is nothing wrong with that. This is a city we are talking about, not a museum for tourists and history buffs.

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[Can you please compare the SIZE of Shanghai bund with the old part of the Paris?...the French government segregate the PARIS into old and new completely.
Unlike in Shanghai, the old western colonial building a just a handful and is diminishing in numbers due to redevelopment. Shanghai development are just like a mess not really organized like in Paris]
Shanghai and Paris are 2 very different cities and any direct comparison would be inappropriate. Paris is is like every other European city, refuses to change and pushes all the new stuff to the edge (La Defence). Which I think makes the city as a whole lopsided, disconnected and kind of random. I prefer blending the old and new instead of restricting the whole city centre from development. Though China is not doing the greatest job at preserving old buildings, I would not say its not razing everything. Considering a lot of the old buildings outside of the Bund is in poor condition and is beyond repair.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 08:47 AM   #4754
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[Can you please compare the SIZE of Shanghai bund with the old part of the Paris?...the French government segregate the PARIS into old and new completely.
Unlike in Shanghai, the old western colonial building a just a handful and is diminishing in numbers due to redevelopment. Shanghai development are just like a mess not really organized like in Paris]
Old and organized ... I think you are hanging around with the wrong crowd .
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Old October 27th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #4755
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In which year shall the trial run begin - Dragon Year or Snake Year?
The new year is in February next year, so January would be dragon still.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:21 PM   #4756
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Quite a pretty line.

It seems that for most lines, when testing, they use the Velaro, is there a reason for it? Is it a specifically modified version?
Actually I don't think CRH3/380B/BL are used for most lines, I see more CRH2C/CL and CRH380A being used to test run new lines. They tend to use the trains that will actually operate commercially on that particular line during the testing.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #4757
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30 km is not that long. But I really hope it's a highway/Railway bridge, better planning big for the long term.
I agree completely, a mixed use option is a must. Alternatively a tunnel is also feasible, not sure the 120m maximum depth gonna be a problem.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:31 PM   #4758
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A month of Zhengzhou-Wuhan services!

Zhengzhou-Wuhan high speed railway opened today a month ago, on 28th of September, 2012.

It is the longest high speed railway in the world, between Xian and Longhua.

11 G trains daily travel Zhengzhou-Guangzhou South. Travel time between 6:22 and 6:42.

Now that the Golden Week has been over for several weeks - how popular and well filled are those long travel time high speed trains?

How many planes used to fly Zhengzhou-Guangzhou before the Zhengzhou-Wuhan railway was opened?

How many are left now?
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Old October 28th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #4759
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Surely airplanes could out-compete a train on distances this large. Unless maybe they are not allowed to...
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Old October 28th, 2012, 06:26 PM   #4760
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Surely airplanes could out-compete a train on distances this large. Unless maybe they are not allowed to...
The airlines just change schedules or redeploy their planes to other destinations, depending on the demand.
And the new line frees up capacity on the old overloaded line for more freight trains.

And a 4hour journey from Wuhan-XiAn, doesn't sound too long. Particularly as there are lots of shorter distance city-pairs along the route.
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