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Old November 18th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #4861
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Thanks to Mr. Sheng Guangzu. Thanks to JY and GZ.
Something odd about Sheng Guangzu:
He is born in 1949. He is not old: all the Five Elders of Standing Committee are older (the youngest is Wang Qishan, and he was born July 1948).

Sheng Guangzu used to be a member of 17th Central Committee - in stroke order, Sheng is after Huangs and Cao, and before Chang, Fu, Kang, Zhang, Liangs and Pengs.

In 18th Central Committee, Huangs are there, a Cao is - but then a Qi and a Chang. Then a Lu and Pengs.

No Sheng Guangzu.

Is Sheng Guangzu still Minister?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #4862
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Also rumor: Beijing–Guangzhou HSR to open on December 20. Beijing–Xi'an G87/G88 04h30m, Beijing–Guangzhou G79/G80 07h59m.

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In 18th Central Committee, Huangs are there, a Cao is - but then a Qi and a Chang. Then a Lu and Pengs.

No Sheng Guangzu.

Is Sheng Guangzu still Minister?
Yes, and Hu is still the President, until next March. The 18th Central Committee is the PARTY's Committee. The Ministry of Railways is a department of the GOVERNMENT.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 05:53 AM   #4863
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Interesting, no Beijing-Shenzhen Futian trains yet?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:57 AM   #4864
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Interesting, no Beijing-Shenzhen Futian trains yet?
The opening of Shenzhen Futian station has been delayed to 2014. Source
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Old November 19th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #4865
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Rumor: Lanzhou–Urumqi may have slowed down to 200 km/h. Harbin–Dalian will operate at 220 km/h maximum initially. Thanks to Mr. Sheng Guangzu. Thanks to JY and GZ.
Why do you thank him? Are you suggesting he is favoring other modes of travel?

I think Lanzhou–Urumqi @ 200 km/h will be a failure.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #4866
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Rumor: Lanzhou–Urumqi may have slowed down to 200 km/h.
Will the line at least be built to 350 km/h standards? Because in that case at least in the future the mistake can be rectified.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:16 PM   #4867
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Why do you thank him? Are you suggesting he is favoring other modes of travel?

I think Lanzhou–Urumqi @ 200 km/h will be a failure.
Even at 350 km/h it won't be too successful, it's just too long to merit the link. At 200? Probsbly only sleepers will have an effective share of the market.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #4868
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Even at 350 km/h it won't be too successful, it's just too long to merit the link. At 200? Probsbly only sleepers will have an effective share of the market.
Are 300 km/h sleeper trains needed between Beijing and Guangzhou?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 04:41 PM   #4869
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The Lanzhou Urumqi HSR is just for prestige and grandness. It looks and sounds cool to have a high speed train going through the beautiful empty terrain. It's a bit like the railway to Lhasa, now it's something the government can brag about.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #4870
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The Lanzhou Urumqi HSR is just for prestige and grandness. It looks and sounds cool to have a high speed train going through the beautiful empty terrain.
And to connect at high speed "the whole country", Kashgar to Hunchun, Sanya to Mohe...

Lanzhou-Xian is quoted as 678 km by low speed railway. When is Xian-Baoji-Lanzhou high speed railway due for completion?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:17 PM   #4871
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The opening of Shenzhen Futian station has been delayed to 2014. Source

Awesome, thanks for the article.



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The Lanzhou Urumqi HSR is just for prestige and grandness. It looks and sounds cool to have a high speed train going through the beautiful empty terrain. It's a bit like the railway to Lhasa, now it's something the government can brag about.
I say if they can afford to build it, it's not a bad idea to have the option.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:39 PM   #4872
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The Lanzhou Urumqi HSR is just for prestige and grandness. It looks and sounds cool to have a high speed train going through the beautiful empty terrain. It's a bit like the railway to Lhasa, now it's something the government can brag about.
I think there was an element of prestige in making Lanzhou-Urumqi 350km/h instead of say 250km/h, but you could say the same about many of the shorter-distance 350km/h lines in the rest of China.

The Lhasa line however, is in a different category. When it opened, transportation costs and journey times to the rest of China dropped sharply, because previously there was only one narrow and dangerous highway which was covered in snow during the winter.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:48 PM   #4873
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I think there was an element of prestige in making Lanzhou-Urumqi 350km/h instead of say 250km/h, but you could say the same about many of the shorter-distance 350km/h lines in the rest of China.
How many of these are not branches of 350 km/h network after completion of missing links?
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Old November 20th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #4874
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How many of these are not branches of 350 km/h network after completion of missing links?
These are the 200-250km/h ones on the main 4+4 network

Shenzhen-HongKong 26km
Ningbo-Shenzhen 1300km approx
Qingdao-Taiyuan 873km
Nanjing-Chengdu 1700km approx

Then there are the other local 200-250km/h lines
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Old November 20th, 2012, 05:27 AM   #4875
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Zhengzhou-Wuhan HSR photos



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Old November 20th, 2012, 06:48 AM   #4876
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After the wenzhou crash, some 200kmh lines were lowered to 160 kmh. I understand that they are the z-series lines. How many were effected, and what is the current status?
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #4877
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Per local news,

Harbin-Dalian HSR to open on November 25th 2012

Beijing-Guangzhou HSR to trial run on December 20th 2012
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:57 AM   #4878
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Harbin-Dalian HSR to open on November 25th 2012
What shall be the top speed of Dalian-Shenyang-Harbin HSR this Sunday?
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Old November 20th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #4879
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Per local news,

Harbin-Dalian HSR to open on November 25th 2012

Beijing-Guangzhou HSR to trial run on December 20th 2012



Great news

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Old November 21st, 2012, 11:24 AM   #4880
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The Lanzhou Urumqi HSR is just for prestige and grandness. It looks and sounds cool to have a high speed train going through the beautiful empty terrain. It's a bit like the railway to Lhasa, now it's something the government can brag about.
There are domestic security concerns that drive many of these new CRH lines to be installed.

Imagine how many armed troops you can ship from Beijing to Urumqi, if you make the car SRO and run it over night at 380kph. One train is a few thousand people. Makes internal security a snap.

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Except no country builds an HSR strictly for tourism because of its cyclical nature you will never recoup the costs. HSR is all about density, population and economical importance of an area.
Tourism, having a ZGT network that covers the entire nation, connects most of the major cities, security, bragging rights, The New Silk Road to Russia or Kazakhstan, and national pride.

"Ride the world's largest and fastest high speed rail network through stunning vistas of immense beauty as you take in China's vast western interior."

Train leaves Xi'an (already a major world tourism destination) at 800 am and arrives in Ulumuqi at 600pm local time. 220 to 245 avg kph. It makes for a compelling long distance trip to see vast expanses.

Train riding fans like to take trips like this...

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